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Iran says it's closing Strait of Hormuz, accusing Israel, US of violating truce

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Re: Iran says it's closing Strait of Hormuz, accusing Israel, US of violating truce

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Post by tjpnz »

SilverElfin wrote: post #36
floren wrote: post #3

Iran has figured out it can make the US president look like an idiot over and over at relatively low cost to themselves, since they're already so thoroughly excluded from the rest of the world.

I don’t think it’s that. I think Trump and the US could simply use brute force to stop Iran’s attacks, control the strait, and replace the Islamic fundamentalist regime. If they wanted to. But that’s not profitable to Trump and his family and friends and donors. By making announcements and deals and truces all the time, they can make trades anticipating each dishonest announcement. And that makes them incredibly rich…

The US doesn't have nearly the firepower to do that unless they went nuclear.

Re: Iran says it's closing Strait of Hormuz, accusing Israel, US of violating truce

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Post by thunky »

FireBeyond wrote: post #50
RevEng wrote: post #24

Trump agreed to the MoU saying it's allies would stop attacks, including in Lebanon. Israel continues to bomb it. It's up to Trump to put pressure on Israel to stop in order to make good on his deal. It's no surprise this is instantly falling apart - Trump promised something he couldn't deliver. We can only hope that he does eventually put enough pressure on Israel to stop.

If anything, Israel is increasing its attacks on Lebanon. Ben-Gvir is making on the record comments like "For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn." Israel absolutely seems to be taking full advantage of Trump to play utter brinkmanship. Source: https://thecongressionalinsider.com/how-one-statement-escala...

> If anything, Israel is increasing its attacks on Lebanon.

Because the deal is good for Iran so Israel is going to ruin it on purpose. That, and killers gunna kill.

Re: Iran says it's closing Strait of Hormuz, accusing Israel, US of violating truce

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Post by kadoban »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #38
floren wrote: post #3

Iran has figured out it can make the US president look like an idiot over and over at relatively low cost to themselves, since they're already so thoroughly excluded from the rest of the world.

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If Iran was in more pain than the USA, they wouldn't be getting $300 billion, sanctions relief and ongoing fees for the Strait. That's how wars work.

They're getting favorable terms because the USA can't win this war as it was started.

Re: Iran says it's closing Strait of Hormuz, accusing Israel, US of violating truce

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

RevEng wrote: post #24

Trump agreed to the MoU saying it's allies would stop attacks, including in Lebanon. Israel continues to bomb it. It's up to Trump to put pressure on Israel to stop in order to make good on his deal. It's no surprise this is instantly falling apart - Trump promised something he couldn't deliver. We can only hope that he does eventually put enough pressure on Israel to stop.

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Re: Iran says it's closing Strait of Hormuz, accusing Israel, US of violating truce

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

FireBeyond wrote: post #49
ndiddy wrote: post #10

Iran’s perspective seems to be that their sovereignty will continue to be threatened by Israel if the US doesn’t start using its considerable amount of leverage over Israel to force them to stand down. I’m not sure how likely this would be, but Trump said that the US would start facing drastic fuel shortages and enter a recession in the next few weeks if he didn’t sign off on the MOU (which seems like a dumb thing to…

The question ultimately becomes "How much pain is Trump willing to let the US bear on the behalf of Israel?" But in general, the answer(and not just for reasons of Israel, but his own fragile ego) is "quite a lot".

Also Trump might hold the Islamic Republic of Iran planning to kill him in mind.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/08/donald-trump-iran-a... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/iranian-intelligence-agent-co...

And potentially the Islamic Republic of Iran wanting to execute his daughter might impact his decisions. https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/ivanka-trump-re...

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

watwut wrote: post #8
floren wrote: post #3

Iran has figured out it can make the US president look like an idiot over and over at relatively low cost to themselves, since they're already so thoroughly excluded from the rest of the world.

I think it is about making US pressure Israel and eventually rupturing that relationship. Meanwhile, Israel is trying to sabotage the peace process and dont care about that relationship.

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Re: Iran says it's closing Strait of Hormuz, accusing Israel, US of violating truce

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Post by [deleted] »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #65
FireBeyond wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question ultimately becomes "How much pain is Trump willing to let the US bear on the behalf of Israel?" But in general, the answer(and not just for reasons of Israel, but his own fragile ego) is "quite a lot".

Also Trump might hold the Islamic Republic of Iran planning to kill him in mind. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/08/donald-trump-iran-a... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/iranian-intelligence-agent-co... And potentially the Islamic Republic of Iran wanting to execute his daughter might impact his decisions. https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/ivanka-trump-re...

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Re: Iran says it's closing Strait of Hormuz, accusing Israel, US of violating truce

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Post by the_origami_fox »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #66
watwut wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is about making US pressure Israel and eventually rupturing that relationship. Meanwhile, Israel is trying to sabotage the peace process and dont care about that relationship.

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Thanks for the support. Agree, on these political posts people would rather censor comments they disagree with than argue against it.

It does appear to skew one way too. You can say far worse things about Israel and not be flagged at all. For example, see these comments here:

waynecochran 12 hours ago | prev | next [–]

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   lorecore 12 hours ago | parent | next [–]
   
   Israel is mass killing civilians in Lebanon, just as they did in Gaza, while they simultaneously enact pogroms in the West Bank.

Re: Iran says it's closing Strait of Hormuz, accusing Israel, US of violating truce

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Post by grandpajoey »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #65
FireBeyond wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question ultimately becomes "How much pain is Trump willing to let the US bear on the behalf of Israel?" But in general, the answer(and not just for reasons of Israel, but his own fragile ego) is "quite a lot".

Also Trump might hold the Islamic Republic of Iran planning to kill him in mind. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/08/donald-trump-iran-a... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/iranian-intelligence-agent-co... And potentially the Islamic Republic of Iran wanting to execute his daughter might impact his decisions. https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/ivanka-trump-re...

Trump is almost certainly most concerned about the Epstein blackmail that Israel is holding over him. That's why he's putting Israel's interests before those of the United States. He should be tried for treason.
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