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DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by QuantumNomad_ »

paulluuk wrote: post #38
jiehong wrote: post #26

For those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image. Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are…

Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.

When I was still using OpenAI, I used it among other things to translate from English to Spanish while talking to Spanish-speaking people in person.

I understand a bit Spanish but I don’t speak Spanish yet, and they don’t speak English.

I speak English to the AI and end with “translate to Spanish, translation only”, and then the AI says the thing I was saying in Spanish (not perfect but good enough, and also it has a slightly weird accent that might be it using English or English influenced text to speech even when speaking Spanish sentences?).

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by k__ »

bjoli wrote: post #8

What has been going on with deepseek recently? I have gotten lots of replies in Chinese and even more frequently, reasoning in Chinese as well. Is it a new silent update?

Maybe, you could pipe it through T5 or something.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by cicko »

paulluuk wrote: post #38
jiehong wrote: post #26

For those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image. Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are…

Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.

If you spend your life sitting in a chair, that's fine. I tend to get all kinds of ideas, questions, and research needs while I'm walking around. Typing a paragraph or two or context takes too much time and is very risky. Especially when driving. But also just walking, cooking, cleaning, etc. Sometimes it's just not practical - winter, carrying stuff... I mostly feel privileged if I can just sit at a computer and type my question and have the time to read the answer.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by cicko »

bjoli wrote: post #8

What has been going on with deepseek recently? I have gotten lots of replies in Chinese and even more frequently, reasoning in Chinese as well. Is it a new silent update?

it's a hint that you should start learning the new Lingua Franca.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by kgeist »

cocoflunchy wrote: post #43
Razengan wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If so, would other models like ChatGPT benefit from translating the user's prompt to Chinese/Japanese and thinking in Hanzi/Kanji and then converting the response back to the user's language before displaying it?

I believe that most reasoning models actually think in their own "language" which is not really understandable by humans. The thinking traces that are shown in the UI are actually summaries generated by a smaller model in plain english (or user language). Sometimes this leaks through and you see some chinese/japanese characters in e.g. Claude's reasoning.

Summaries by different smaller models are usually made by closed proprietary models like Claude as a way to combat the distillation of real reasoning traces by competitors. Open weight models show the real reasoning traces. Reasoning traces operate in the same space as the non-reasoning output. It's all just one large text for an LLM. Internally, reasoning is just ordinary chat completion between tags.

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by perching_aix »

paulluuk wrote: post #38
jiehong wrote: post #26

For those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image. Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are…

Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading? As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.

It's easier, faster, and more natural to talk than to type for the vast, vast majority of people.

This trivial fact of life is observed every day by e.g.:

- students taking notes and finding it necessary to only jot down key facts so that they can keep up,

- stenographers who require special training and equipment to keep up verbatim with live speech in the courtroom,

- annoying colleagues who insist on "hopping on a quick call" or arranging big, wasteful, and disruptive meetings instead of just writing down their problem / sending a message or email,

- friends who insist on sending short voice messages in DMs instead of typing, because it's more "personal" that way (which to be fair it is, but not to the extent proclaimed).

Re: DeepSeek Introduces Vision

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Post by pjc50 »

dudisubekti wrote: post #24
epolanski wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to expand on why? Or did you forgot the /s at the end?

I feel like '/s' has ruined irony on the internet. Irony is at its best if left ambiguous, lol.

Too many people have said too many stupid things entirely seriously.
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