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Re: Anthropic employees accuse Trump administration of targeting them

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Post by sanderjd »

croes wrote: post #48
sanderjd wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amazon removes guardrails from Fable, getting access to Mythos. This doesn't seem like an accurate description to me. I think something like "Amazon demonstrates a jailbreak of one class of Fable guardrails" would be a more accurate description. It doesn't even really mess up your narrative to state it accurately, but your choice of a more hyperbolic statement brings into question the good faith of the narrative yo…

Seems it was even less https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48552687

I would argue that that article describes a demonstrated bypass of one class of Fable's guardrails.

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Post by fnordpiglet »

khalic wrote: post #37
seviu wrote: post #20

Anthropic employees are right, but maybe this is for good. It certainly has opened my eyes. I can’t rely on using a technology that the US administration can ban at will. IMO without getting into personal thoughts about how capable the current US administration is, last Friday move sent a very powerful signal to the industry. Also I don’t think China releasing so many good models, capable to compete with Opus 4.8 and…

Yep, any American closed model is now a de facto existential risk for any company relying on them. The latest open models are so good it’s worth the 6-8 months delayed capabilities. At least for coding

The problem is there’s a real wall on the vram side. While fused main memory is ok the inference speeds on larger models are impractical. With vram on a GPU the machine class, power requirement, GPU costs, and other factors put them out of most people’s reach. Cloud GPUs require a second job to keep available and hot. What closed providers offer is packing and scale advantages as well as infrastructure. The scaling laws here aren’t the same as Moore’s law - in fact they predict more required hardware and more scale over time. Moore’s laws isn’t keeping up with expanded needs and the ability to fab and produce at scale the specific things that weren’t needed a few years ago are lagging. So it’s not a 6-8 month lag; it’s a lag that will be induced by hardware scarcity and an ever increasing lag until something fundamentally changes with matmul.

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Post by extr »

I mean obviously they're correct but also the complaints of the administration aren't totally without basis.

- They're obviously being targeted politically because they refuse to kiss the ring, vibes, whatever you want to call it.

- They're also justifiably being scrutinized because they just spent like 3 months telling everyone that Mythos is a nuclear bomb and telling the government to fuck off as they drip fed access to a bunch of random corporations.

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Post by khalic »

rdtsc wrote: post #60

Didn't their CEO argue how super powerful and dangerous their AI models are and government should be able to restricting usage https://abc7.com/post/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-calls-stron... > "We're proposing stronger regulation of the technology, proposing giving the government the ability to, again, in a narrow way, block deployment of unsafe technology," he said. The government: "We're restricting its usage to US…

You guys are going to have to find another argument because this is just stupid. Being singled out doesn’t equate to regulation being applied.

The story is: anthropic refuses to give the US give an abliterated version of Claude for their weapons system, the US gov retaliates.

You’re rooting for the mass murderers, good job

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Post by sailfast »

Any company building this kind of tech should have a separate shell headquarters on some low regulation island country.

Any government work can be done via MOU with a US subsidiary staffed by Americans.

This kind of capricious, unexplained control is bullsh*t.

I’m not saying that I want companies to have to go offshore or that that would be a good thing. Just that you’ve got no leverage if your corporate structure can be destroyed on a whim. This goes for any company reliant on a whimsical executive branch.

While there could still be fights over the technology and the company, a tech provider would still be able to serve other customers and have more leverage.

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Post by Lionga »

amazingamazing wrote: post #12

> We’re proposing stronger regulation of the technology. We’re proposing giving the government the ability to, again in a narrow way, block deployment of unsafe technology. Anthropic CEO https://abc7.com/post/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-calls-stron...

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Post by realusername »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #52
khalic wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, any American closed model is now a de facto existential risk for any company relying on them. The latest open models are so good it’s worth the 6-8 months delayed capabilities. At least for coding

I will use the best available while it is available. 8 months ago with Codex would be intolerable today.

I believe we have somewhat plateaued and each percentage gained seems to be an exponential effort.

Fable was around 10x GPT5 pricing and 100x Chinese models pricing, was it really 100x better? I Don't think so.

If you want a personal story, I just solved a complicated coding problem with Kimi 2.7 that GPT 5.4 failed with.

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Post by sanderjd »

rdtsc wrote: post #60

Didn't their CEO argue how super powerful and dangerous their AI models are and government should be able to restricting usage https://abc7.com/post/anthropic-ceo-dario-amodei-calls-stron... > "We're proposing stronger regulation of the technology, proposing giving the government the ability to, again, in a narrow way, block deployment of unsafe technology," he said. The government: "We're restricting its usage to US…

I mean, yes, correct, literally "not like that" is the complaint. Government arbitrarily picking and choosing what's allowed in order to force everyone to curry favor is very different from an general well-documented regulatory framework. It is not weird for someone who favors the latter to call foul at the former.
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