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US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by krunck »

jmyeet wrote: post #12

The US government exists to defend capital interests. It's why we can't buy BYD cars. It's why we can't import any cars unless they're 25 years old. It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. It's why the US is seeking to block states from banning prediction markets. It's why the federal government is seeking to block states from blocking data center projects. As soon as DeepSeek came out I realized what was going on: China…

> It's why a Tiktok sale was forced.

I think that has more to do with controlling narratives that the USG doesn't like.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by aerhardt »

wagwang wrote: post #33
dakolli wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China does not think llms are a matter of national security, they aren't as brain broken as the west.

That's 100% untrue lmao.

I'm sure they think of them as a matter of national security, because they think of everything as a matter of national security, but a few analysts I respect say that the mood there is not nearly as AGI-pilled, and I have no trouble believing that.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by CPLX »

regularization wrote: post #47
CPLX wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason we can't buy BYD cars is because if we allowed it without restrictions, it would utterly and completely destroy the United States auto industry. That's terrible public policy, and we should not allow it. Before anyone starts talking about the free market, there is no free market here whatsoever. The fact that BYD's cost structure is what it is is the direct result of Chinese industrial policy. Unilateral s…

> there is no free market here whatsoever. The fact that BYD's cost structure is what it is is the direct result of Chinese industrial policy. Aside from countless other ways before and after this, the US government handed over tens of billions of dollars in cash to GM and Chrysler in 2008 and 2009.

Great story. A couple of billion dollars 18 years ago is not an industrial policy.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by wbl »

krunck wrote: post #61
jmyeet wrote: post #12

The US government exists to defend capital interests. It's why we can't buy BYD cars. It's why we can't import any cars unless they're 25 years old. It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. It's why the US is seeking to block states from banning prediction markets. It's why the federal government is seeking to block states from blocking data center projects. As soon as DeepSeek came out I realized what was going on: China…

> It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. I think that has more to do with controlling narratives that the USG doesn't like.

Ever see a tiktok about may 35?

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by reisse »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #62

So... anybody who was hoping for CXMT (or YMTC) to maybe cause RAM or flash prices to maybe drop, maybe just a bit, pretty please, can go pound sand? (YMTC of course is already on the Entity List.)

They probably will, but not for US customers.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by CPLX »

ceejayoz wrote: post #45
CPLX wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like I don't understand the argument on the other side of this. I've heard it my entire life. It's been dominant since the late 1970s and 1980s. It's just that it's wrong. We need a competent industrial policy and support for skilled labor and policies that encourage domestic production. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but our country has become fucked, overwhelmed by financialization, scams, monopoly rents…

> We need a competent industrial policy and support for skilled labor and policies that encourage domestic production. Yes! But "tariff/ban BYD" is not that.

Of course it is part of an industrial policy. It is, however, not nearly sufficient, and if it's the only thing we do, it will become increasingly untenable and eventually fail.

But it's an essential first step to prevent our audio industry from just being summarily destroyed. Other steps are also needed to encourage domestic manufacturing and homegrown successes.

Also, I'm not sure why this is even controversial. Why do you think there's BMW and Hyundai plants in the American South? Tariffs are already heavily employed by us and every other industrialized country.

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by CPLX »

mindslight wrote: post #52
CPLX wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like I don't understand the argument on the other side of this. I've heard it my entire life. It's been dominant since the late 1970s and 1980s. It's just that it's wrong. We need a competent industrial policy and support for skilled labor and policies that encourage domestic production. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but our country has become fucked, overwhelmed by financialization, scams, monopoly rents…

IMO the problem is that we've been given the excuse of market fundamentalism for the past several decades on the way down, as most everyone lost their middle class jobs, wages stagnated, etc. Now we're supposed to accept some last ditch attempt at protectionism based on directly blocking choices for consumers, when the US manufacturers aren't even really competing? It just seems like open hypocrisy. At this point the…

Every single load of bullshit shuffled into our faces has been presented as a benefit to consumers.

Google gives away their search and Gmail for free, don't you know? So it can't possibly be a monopoly.

And so on. It's just propaganda. It's bullshit. That's not the way that you determine whether firms have excess market power, and this fraud (called "the consumer welfare standard") was the deliberate choice of right-wing policymakers who were bent on dismantling antitrust policies and succeeded.

More: https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/the-secret-plot-to-unleas...

Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

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Post by maxglute »

wagwang wrote: post #59
CPLX wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason we can't buy BYD cars is because if we allowed it without restrictions, it would utterly and completely destroy the United States auto industry. That's terrible public policy, and we should not allow it. Before anyone starts talking about the free market, there is no free market here whatsoever. The fact that BYD's cost structure is what it is is the direct result of Chinese industrial policy. Unilateral s…

You can just copy the chinese playbook and allow entry if you are willing to hand over ip.

US note remotely capable of doing a China playbook which is: _OLD_ IP. In exchange for allocating cheap land, building cheap factories/infra, staffing with cheap technical labour etc etc... the IP sharer just sits back and collect checks. The Chinese playbook actually offers value US (and west in general) not capable of providing.
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