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A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by 9cb14c1ec0 »

simoncion wrote: post #38
coldpie wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> legacy TDM systems Easy fix. It should be opt-in to accept a call that is routed through one of these. I know they allow it so some grandma in rural France that still uses a dial phone on a copper line that hasn't been touched since 1962 can call her son in New York, but for the rest of us who are not in that situation, we can just blacklist all those calls and lose nothing. This would even fix spam for the people…

> Easy fix. It should be opt-in to accept a call that is routed through one of these. Easier (and correct) fix: Telecoms operators should not be permitted to provide transit to a call that's routed through one of these. > I know they allow it so some grandma in rural France that still uses a dial phone on a copper line that hasn't been touched since 1962... This doesn't make sense. Even my inexpensive Mikrotik switch…

> I do not believe for even a second that Telecoms Grade switching equipment is unable to do the same

Mikrotik is a young spring chick compared to the dinosaurs in telecom.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by 9cb14c1ec0 »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #23
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #6

We really just need telcos to stop allowing caller id spoofing. Doesn’t even need your name, but with a real number we could actually report these scams. You can still allow people to hide it, but then by default every non-business phone should block calls with hidden numbers.

Why do we even need to run on the 20th century system of numbers anyways? Why is there not a better call addressing system?

Because the concept of numbers is so heavily baked into many systems. Momentum is a beast.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by gwerbin »

agloe_dreams wrote: post #47
phyzome wrote: post #31

It's even worse: Since cell phones broadcast your location at all times, this means telling hundreds of companies (and a number of governments) your location at basically all times. That's already an issue with most cell phones. Making this apply to prepaid phones is even worse.

One thing I wonder is if this is just one step removed from 'Now we know the identity of every user so we can now have both probable cause and verified identity to arrest over statements containing speech we do not like.' " Like that is Carr's FCC in a nutshell - he wants to control speech by controlling the airwaves. That is a raw fact in his behavior. But when the news stations say the thing they want them to say,…

If you have to wonder, you don't need to wonder. So now not only can "antifa"-related speech qualify you as a terrorist (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/coun...), now your phone is legally required to track you and report your location at all times. The legal infrastructure is in place to track and bring a wide range of consequences down on just about any and all political enemy, whether that be ruining their life by dragging them through years of criminal charges or simply black-bagging them and whisking them off to a prison for "enemy combatants" without any oversight from a court. All of this is being done in full view of Congress and the Supreme Court, therefore one can only conclude that they are comfortable with and complicit in what is going on.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by carlosjobim »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #29
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #6

We really just need telcos to stop allowing caller id spoofing. Doesn’t even need your name, but with a real number we could actually report these scams. You can still allow people to hide it, but then by default every non-business phone should block calls with hidden numbers.

What valid purpose does hidden numbers have? Government departments in my country hide their caller ID. I find that abusive on its own but let’s not forget about the fact that now you have victims of domestic violence being forced to answer hidden numbers in case it’s welfare, or the cops, or their abusive spouse.

Calling in an anonymous tip to the police and such.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by 3RTB297 »

rastrojero2000 wrote: post #43

Any particular reason yall can't just argue in court that by creating opportunities for your PII to be stolen your governments (state or federal or both) are actively harming you economically? Sure, not much money to be had by fighting that fight but basically any PAC should have the means to do this and by claiming money is at stake and not people's actual safety you do have a better chance at this not being dismiss…

Unless you've had fraud committed against you, that's a hard sell. What dollar figure do you use as the basis? Are you suing for years of credit monitoring? Because that's typically the solution for people who are the victims of PII leaks.

One could argue that it's a failure of law enforcement or telcos or regulators to do enough to prevent fraud and maaaaybe bring a class action or something, but that's a massive stretch.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by philipallstar »

swed420 wrote: post #54
smallmancontrov wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What ever happened to SHAKEN/STIR? I thought this was supposed to happen 5 years ago. Did they just chicken out on the prospect of actually shutting down telcos sending spam volume? I still get loads of spam phone calls, so clearly something went wrong (or slow enough to be indistinguishable from wrong).

> I thought this was supposed to happen 5 years ago. Did they just chicken out on the prospect of actually shutting down telcos sending spam volume? It would certainly hurt a consumption-based economy, for starters.

Why would that hurt a consumption-based economy?

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by lenerdenator »

agloe_dreams wrote: post #47
phyzome wrote: post #31

It's even worse: Since cell phones broadcast your location at all times, this means telling hundreds of companies (and a number of governments) your location at basically all times. That's already an issue with most cell phones. Making this apply to prepaid phones is even worse.

One thing I wonder is if this is just one step removed from 'Now we know the identity of every user so we can now have both probable cause and verified identity to arrest over statements containing speech we do not like.' " Like that is Carr's FCC in a nutshell - he wants to control speech by controlling the airwaves. That is a raw fact in his behavior. But when the news stations say the thing they want them to say,…

It's important to remember that Carr is but a bureaucrat doing what he needs to do to make his boss (or, rather, his boss's boss) happy.

We have a real problem with people in government buying into the idea that it's basically a private company set up for the benefit of one man in particular.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

agloe_dreams wrote: post #47
phyzome wrote: post #31

It's even worse: Since cell phones broadcast your location at all times, this means telling hundreds of companies (and a number of governments) your location at basically all times. That's already an issue with most cell phones. Making this apply to prepaid phones is even worse.

One thing I wonder is if this is just one step removed from 'Now we know the identity of every user so we can now have both probable cause and verified identity to arrest over statements containing speech we do not like.' " Like that is Carr's FCC in a nutshell - he wants to control speech by controlling the airwaves. That is a raw fact in his behavior. But when the news stations say the thing they want them to say,…

They won't do that because that'll cause an uproar.

What they'll do, what they always do, what you can see them actively doing (albeit on other policy axis) even at the local government level, is simply scrutinize these people for other laws they've broken or rules they've run afoul of and then enforce the shit out of those.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by reactordev »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #6

We really just need telcos to stop allowing caller id spoofing. Doesn’t even need your name, but with a real number we could actually report these scams. You can still allow people to hide it, but then by default every non-business phone should block calls with hidden numbers.

and cut off a million dollar annum laundering scheme to provide such service to the scammer networks? nah... they would never.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by twodave »

philipallstar wrote: post #66
swed420 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I thought this was supposed to happen 5 years ago. Did they just chicken out on the prospect of actually shutting down telcos sending spam volume? It would certainly hurt a consumption-based economy, for starters.

Why would that hurt a consumption-based economy?

Telcos make money off of scammer activity.
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