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Thermodynamics rules future orbital data centers

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Re: Thermodynamics rules future orbital data centers

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Economics calculator for Orbital vs Terrestrial Data Centers https://andrewmccalip.com/space-datacenters You can play around with the cost sliders to estimate the economics, but even being quite optimistic, space data centers cost ~2-3x of their terrestrial counterparts.

To remove heat by radiation there's a big benefit to running the GPUs hotter as the radiation will be proportional to the fourth power of temperature. This resource is using 85 deg C versus 60 deg C for OP which will improve cooling performance. If Nvidia/SpaceX can make the chips run at a higher temperature that would help a lot although I assume it would have already been done if it were possible. Another option is…

Could they run the chips at "normal" temperatures and then heat pump that all into some other mass that lives at "aerospace alloy" temperatures and radiates it away more efficiently?

Re: Thermodynamics rules future orbital data centers

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Economics calculator for Orbital vs Terrestrial Data Centers https://andrewmccalip.com/space-datacenters You can play around with the cost sliders to estimate the economics, but even being quite optimistic, space data centers cost ~2-3x of their terrestrial counterparts.

They'll pay the price if it means their data centers are immune to the anger of the commoners who are being surveilled, analyzed, and manipulated by systems running on these data centers.

I think the more likely goal would be immunity to regulation.

Re: Thermodynamics rules future orbital data centers

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Honestly, data centers in the ocean make so much more sense than data centers in space it's kind of silly, but Mr Moneybags owns a rocket company he's trying to pump and dump, not a submarine company, so here we are.

What’s the regulatory path to something like this? Oceans seem to have all the problems of land except manifold: permitting is nigh impossible, and power is hard to line up. To make it worse, underwater tech is notoriously hard to make operationally visible. Sabotage is trivial and undifferentiable from failure and honest error. When we used to work in trading subsea cable cuts in Asia would constantly ruin our best…

No permits needed in international waters, and PV arrays work fine there.

He should look at renting space on container ships before considering orbital DCs, IMO. But that doesn't satisfy the critical "Rocket company needs something to do" constraint.

Re: Thermodynamics rules future orbital data centers

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Honestly, data centers in the ocean make so much more sense than data centers in space it's kind of silly, but Mr Moneybags owns a rocket company he's trying to pump and dump, not a submarine company, so here we are.

I saw this a couple of days ago, you might be interested: 'World’s first wind-powered underwater datacentre starts operating in China' [1]

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/09/worlds-first-w...

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There's also the issue of scaling. Say you can make the engineering work for building a data center in space. Nobody wants to build just one, or even just a handful. Musk has talked about 10000 launches a year for deploying and maintaining data centers. At that scale pollution becomes a serious issue. It hasn't been a problem so far because we haven't launched a lot of rockets. Cumulatively the world has under about…

There are non-polluting ways of launching. SpinLaunch

Re: Thermodynamics rules future orbital data centers

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Honestly, data centers in the ocean make so much more sense than data centers in space it's kind of silly, but Mr Moneybags owns a rocket company he's trying to pump and dump, not a submarine company, so here we are.

A startup I worked at is building wave-powered data centers [1].

1: https://www.latitudemedia.com/news/catalyst-building-inferen...

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There's also the issue of scaling. Say you can make the engineering work for building a data center in space. Nobody wants to build just one, or even just a handful. Musk has talked about 10000 launches a year for deploying and maintaining data centers. At that scale pollution becomes a serious issue. It hasn't been a problem so far because we haven't launched a lot of rockets. Cumulatively the world has under about…

There are non-polluting ways of launching. SpinLaunch

SpinLaunch has several fatal flaws.

Re: Thermodynamics rules future orbital data centers

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Honestly, data centers in the ocean make so much more sense than data centers in space it's kind of silly, but Mr Moneybags owns a rocket company he's trying to pump and dump, not a submarine company, so here we are.

A startup I worked at is building wave-powered data centers [1]. 1: https://www.latitudemedia.com/news/catalyst-building-inferen...

Huh. I thought the field had mostly soured on wave power due to the incredible engineering challenges. Cheaper+easier to do wind or solar. I guess you can slap “For AI” onto anything to overcome the economics.

Re: Thermodynamics rules future orbital data centers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, cost is not directly proportional to emissions. Heat emission in space is not problematic for humans

Are you counting the emissions to get the datacenters into space?

That's an environmental and financial cost, but it's a one time cost. For datacenters on Earth, the emissions are continuous.
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