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Re: Surface with Windows 8 Pro – Pricing

#61

The marketplace isn't going to understand that this is more of a computer than an iPad. They need to hammer on "this runs Office".

The only problem is that the RT also runs Office. I think the Pro looks good and I can't wait to get hands on one, but I suspect that if MS doesn't figure out how to market things it will die a swift death.

On the other hand, MS is famous for continuing to do things they suck at until they get it right. One of the benefits of having deep pockets.

Re: Surface with Windows 8 Pro – Pricing

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You can have 50% of an Ultrabook for 100% of the price. Total savings of up to negative 50%! How could anyone resist?

Only Apple can list 'Status Symbol' as one of the perks of their products, and I have a feeling that's one of the main features the average consumer wants in a tablet. Aside from the toy/gimmick factor and browsing the internet easily from bed (or the toilet), I'm just not seeing the mass appeal of these.

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post #7

Should be interesting. One of the things I've wished for was a tablet that could do both capacitive touch style interactions and more precise Wacom pen/tablet style interactions. Looks like I'll have a chance to play with an implementation of that. I agree with kimura that its a pretty high price point. Although reserve judgement on whether or not it crosses into the 'too expensive' territory. Its essentially the sam…

The price is not $999; with a keyboard (to be a fair competitor to the MacBook Air), it costs $1050. At $999, it's just a crappy iPad alternative with a large hardrive.

Or, alternatively, it's a decent alternative to the Modbook Pro (http://www.modbook.com/modbookpro) at a $2500 discount. I'm sure there are people to whom the Surface Pro is more attractive than a normal laptop. I haven't decided whether I'm one of them, but I don't think that a direct comparison to the Macbook Air is appropriate. If we're going to be "fair" by adding a keyboard to the Surface, shouldn't we also add an aftermarket touch screen to the Air?

Re: Surface with Windows 8 Pro – Pricing

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone's blown away because they priced themselves out of their target market. Whether they agree or not, this is going to be compared to the other tablets (i.e., the iPad) out there, and for the base models, the cost is almost double. For a company attempting to play catch-up, their giving themselves such a tremendous handicap is pretty unexpected.

I don't think their target market for the Pro is the hobbyist, or Mom and Pa, it's the enterprise business market, where the iPad has seen little penetration. This market doesn't care if the kickstand works on your knee. Or about a few hundred dollars here or there. Exchange integration, legacy internal applications, these things matter. Note taking in meetings.

Active Directory integration is huge for the enterprises I deal with.

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post #10

Everyone seems really blown away by the pricing and I'm not sure why. This isn't an iPad, it houses a fully functional operating system that lets you run existing Windows 7 desktop applications. In a use-case scenario I see it being more similar to a laptop than to the iPad. If I can run Visual Studio on it and it handles all my existing Windows 7 applications correctly, I'd consider purchasing it. I don't look at it…

The problem is that the pricing puts it into a weird space in the market. If you want to use it as a laptop, you have to add one of the covers (the $120 Touch Cover or $130 Type Cover) so you have a keyboard, and that puts the price of the package over $1,000. You can get a "real" laptop (even a Macbook Air!) for less than that. An argument could be made that Surface Pro isn't just a laptop, but a laptop plus a table…

Not just a keyboard. If you want to use it like a real laptop, you will need a mouse or other pointing device, as well. Touch on a vertically-oriented screen is not going to cut it for laptop-ish kinds of uses, as has been proven in years and years of UX studies.

Clarifying edit: Touch is great if you are holding the device in your hands, of course, like an iPad. But once you are using a keyboard and Surface's kickstand and trying to run Windows apps, which is the use case we're discussing here, you'll need a mouse or a trackpad, just like you do to run Windows on any other device. Windows apps are not touch friendly and that didn't magically change just because Ballmer is trying to enter the market that he publicly mocked in 2007 (iPhone) and 2010 (iPad).

Re: Surface with Windows 8 Pro – Pricing

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post #10

Everyone seems really blown away by the pricing and I'm not sure why. This isn't an iPad, it houses a fully functional operating system that lets you run existing Windows 7 desktop applications. In a use-case scenario I see it being more similar to a laptop than to the iPad. If I can run Visual Studio on it and it handles all my existing Windows 7 applications correctly, I'd consider purchasing it. I don't look at it…

The problem is that the pricing puts it into a weird space in the market. If you want to use it as a laptop, you have to add one of the covers (the $120 Touch Cover or $130 Type Cover) so you have a keyboard, and that puts the price of the package over $1,000. You can get a "real" laptop (even a Macbook Air!) for less than that. An argument could be made that Surface Pro isn't just a laptop, but a laptop plus a table…

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Re: Surface with Windows 8 Pro – Pricing

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Does anyone know how much RAM this thing has, since marketing speak has now taken "memory" to mean "storage space".

What's funny is calling this a laptop since your lap is about the only place you can't use it (apart from as a tablet I suppose). It's really a portable desktop.

Re: Surface with Windows 8 Pro – Pricing

#69
post #10

Everyone seems really blown away by the pricing and I'm not sure why. This isn't an iPad, it houses a fully functional operating system that lets you run existing Windows 7 desktop applications. In a use-case scenario I see it being more similar to a laptop than to the iPad. If I can run Visual Studio on it and it handles all my existing Windows 7 applications correctly, I'd consider purchasing it. I don't look at it…

I don't get the point of a device that's not a good tablet because it doubles as a mediocre laptop.

Re: Surface with Windows 8 Pro – Pricing

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that the pricing puts it into a weird space in the market. If you want to use it as a laptop, you have to add one of the covers (the $120 Touch Cover or $130 Type Cover) so you have a keyboard, and that puts the price of the package over $1,000. You can get a "real" laptop (even a Macbook Air!) for less than that. An argument could be made that Surface Pro isn't just a laptop, but a laptop plus a table…

Not just a keyboard. If you want to use it like a real laptop, you will need a mouse or other pointing device, as well. Touch on a vertically-oriented screen is not going to cut it for laptop-ish kinds of uses, as has been proven in years and years of UX studies. Clarifying edit: Touch is great if you are holding the device in your hands, of course, like an iPad. But once you are using a keyboard and Surface's kickst…

Both the touch and type covers have a trackpad built in - it's surprising that they didn't include these items in the package, considering how core they are to the Surface experience
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