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The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

#61

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What about the mass suffering the US boycott has caused?

Whatabout the mass suffering communism has caused? Or do you think they would be a perfect utopia if it weren’t for the Us boycott?

The obvious issue is that the US boycott is making a bad situation worse. You know that is the other person's point, but you are a disingenuous ideologue.

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

#62

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> And I’m fine with that. People, specifically children, are dying: "infant mortality has doubled to 9.9 per 1,000 births; childhood cancer survival rates have fallen from 85 to 65 per cent; and essential medicines are available at only around 30 per cent of normal supply levels." [1] Are you fine with that? [1] Children are dying as US sanctions push Cuba to the brink, warns UN human rights chief https://news.un.org…

People are dying everywhere all the time. What has communism achieved that it’s worth having these kind of infant mortality rates? I promise you if it weren’t for communism they would have much lower infant mortality rates.

The increased infant mortality, and the other adverse outcomes, are a consequence of the sanctions imposed by the US government.

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

#63

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Doesn’t matter what the history of his family is. That’s his stated goal. Or don’t you think they would have returned once Batista was removed from power?

I think he's a liar, and therefore I don't give a shit what he says his reasons are.

fake therefore

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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The person who wrote this never asked a Cuban immigrant how they felt about the government in Cuba. Many will tell you a story about how their family desperately escaped on a row boat, are lucky to be alive and blame Castro. The bottom line is that many Cuban immigrants in the United States feel that the current government destroyed the country and should be removed and Marco Rubio’s quest to fix Cuba is a reflection…

I can't comment much on Cuban-American immigrant feelings about Castro or the current Cuban government, but Marco Rubio's parents fled the US-backed regime of Fulgencio Batista, who Castro overthrew. Maybe that's an example we should pay attention to though. How many of Cuba's problems are caused by the US doubling-down on trying to interfere? Obviously their current power outages are.

Cuba is poor because they run an absolutely insane Soviet-style communist planned economy. Every major industry is owned by the government, with state approved production targets, price controls, and state resource allocation. This is a failed economic model that doomed the Soviet Union that the rest of the world has moved on from.

Chinese officials visited Cuba and told them to adopt market-style reforms that were very successful in China, and Cuban government officials said no. The Chinese officials left extremely confused why Cuba would not consider them.

> their current power outages are [caused by the US]

No, only indirectly. Cuba used to receive billions of dollars of free oil from Venezuela, they would use part of it for internal consumption (electricity generation) then resell the rest to pay for imports. But after Maduro was deposed, free oil transfers stopped, Cuba needed to purchase oil on the open market, and there is no money to do so; hence the economic and electricity crisis.

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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post #16

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I can't comment much on Cuban-American immigrant feelings about Castro or the current Cuban government, but Marco Rubio's parents fled the US-backed regime of Fulgencio Batista, who Castro overthrew. Maybe that's an example we should pay attention to though. How many of Cuba's problems are caused by the US doubling-down on trying to interfere? Obviously their current power outages are.

Cuba is poor because they run an absolutely insane Soviet-style communist planned economy. Every major industry is owned by the government, with state approved production targets, price controls, and state resource allocation. This is a failed economic model that doomed the Soviet Union that the rest of the world has moved on from. Chinese officials visited Cuba and told them to adopt market-style reforms that were v…

Could the Cuban economy be run better? Sure, but Cuba is being actively blockaded by the US. To act like that isn't the proximate cause of their power outages is ridiculous.

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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post #65

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Cuba is poor because they run an absolutely insane Soviet-style communist planned economy. Every major industry is owned by the government, with state approved production targets, price controls, and state resource allocation. This is a failed economic model that doomed the Soviet Union that the rest of the world has moved on from. Chinese officials visited Cuba and told them to adopt market-style reforms that were v…

Could the Cuban economy be run better? Sure, but Cuba is being actively blockaded by the US. To act like that isn't the proximate cause of their power outages is ridiculous.

> Cuba is being actively blockaded by the US

False. This is a common point of confusion. There is no blockade on Cuba, only an embargo. You can research this yourself.

A blockade in international law requires a physical naval presence that intercepts ships. It is literally an act of war. The US is not intercepting ships that travel to Cuba. The US maintains an embargo on Cuba, not a blockade.

See https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/29/world/americas/cuba-russi...

> The United States Coast Guard is allowing a Russian tanker full of crude oil to reach Cuba

> Asked by reporters about this article on Air Force One Sunday evening, President Trump confirmed it. “We don’t mind having somebody get a boatload, because they need — they have to survive,” he said. “I told them, if a country wants to send some oil into Cuba right now, I have no problem with that. Whether it’s Russia or not.”

The tanker in question successfully reached and delivered its cargo to Cuba.

The current energy crisis in Cuba is a result of the collapse of the Maduro regime, which was providing billions of dollars of free oil to Cuba.

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

#67

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And what’s with this “our politics” bs? You don’t think Cuban Americans are as American as you are?

What about what I said is inconsistent with Cuban Americans being American? It's all of our collective foreign policy, so why should we let one portion of us drag it off in some direction that the whole doesn't care for?

You’re saying you’d rather support a communist government in this matter than your fellow citizens. Thats a cool direction.

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

#68

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What about what I said is inconsistent with Cuban Americans being American? It's all of our collective foreign policy, so why should we let one portion of us drag it off in some direction that the whole doesn't care for?

You’re saying you’d rather support a communist government in this matter than your fellow citizens. Thats a cool direction.

yawn

If you believe your own bullshit so resolutely that you think not aggressively supporting regime change = "supporting a communist government", then I think you are precisely illustrating what many of us in this thread are saying.

Also, whole point of a democracy is that we disagree as fellow citizens, is it not?

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

#69
post #13

Maybe. But also, if the regime falls, you know who will become richer and more healthy? ALL CUBANS! If bad people do the right thing for the wrong reasons, we should be thankful, not angry.

Oh yes. We've seen so many US invasions for the purpose of regime change end up with prosperity for the citizens of those countries.

South Korea, Japan, Germany, France, Belgium, Afghanistan (although Biden fucked up and pulled out), and Iraq. That's a pretty impressive list.
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