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Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

#61
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet the Radxa Rock 4d[1] has 4Gb and is selling for 69 dollars. [1]: https://arace.tech/products/radxa-rock-4d

Four of those would be $280 though, so this doesn't seem hilariously out of scale with that.

But ram prices don't scale linearly. The 4Gb variant of RPi5 is $130.

Radxa does have a 16Gb board[1] on pre-order, coming in at $329. Though the Dragon Q8B appears to be quite a bit more capable.

[1]: https://arace.tech/products/radxa-dragon-q8b

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

#62
post #26

I really struggle to see where this fits in to most use cases. The appeal of the Pi back in the first iterations was being a relatively cheap linux computer with GPIO.

This (the 16GB version) should not fit into most use cases. You’re buying an expensive RAM chip with a Pi attached.

The cheaper 4GB or even 1GB versions ($50 for the latter) are what most people should be looking at for their projects.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

#63
post #26

I really struggle to see where this fits in to most use cases. The appeal of the Pi back in the first iterations was being a relatively cheap linux computer with GPIO.

The original vision IIRC was to provide a cheap computer for students in low-income families. You could plug into your TV at home and start learning. Then the hobby community got wind of it and proceeded to buy out all the stock on every release (myself included, I still have one of every first 3 versions sitting in my cabinet)

At this stage I think the way to realize this "cheap computer" vision is in unlocking smartphones. Either with an OS that behaves like a real computer that you can put on an old/cheap commodity phone, or with an app that creates a programmable environment layered over and isolated from the suffocating mobile OS.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

#64

Even worse, continued RAM shortages and inflation might actually mean that will have been a good price in a year's time.

Every day I go to bed praying CXMT hurries the *$!@ up and dumps an ungodly amount of cheap RAM upon global markets

if anything, pricing will be around the same. Difference will be in availability.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

#66
post #26

I really struggle to see where this fits in to most use cases. The appeal of the Pi back in the first iterations was being a relatively cheap linux computer with GPIO.

It's useful if you need GPIO but not $350 useful. Nowadays you can get used office mini PCs with a 10th gen Intel and 16GB RAM for like $200 and they'll come with an SSD. No idea why anyone would buy an expensive Pi.

And GPIO support for your used office equipment is often just a cheap USB adapter away too, GPIO support is not some Pi exclusive thing, even if its 40 pin layout is widely used now etc.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

#67
This isn't exactly news, that model has been at $350 for a while.

It's not like RPi suddenly introduced a 16GB model at a ridiculous price due to having forgotten about low cost stuff. The 16GB model was originally $85 iirc. Then the memory shortage hit. They could either withdraw the 16GB model (maybe screwing over some people who absolutely had to have it) or raise the price for those with urgent enough requirements. They did the latter.

Me, I'd like to see some large MCU's (let's say a little above RP2350 / ESP32 level) with a few MB of memory, but with memory protection, like old fashioned Vaxes with that much memory. That would allow running multiprocessing OS's where the processes couldn't easily clobber each other like on the current stuff. Many programs don't require GB's of ram.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

#68
post #26

I really struggle to see where this fits in to most use cases. The appeal of the Pi back in the first iterations was being a relatively cheap linux computer with GPIO.

People have been saying this for years, yet Raspberry Pis just keep on selling with no trouble.

RPis get sold more to the businesses and startups that started with them in 2010s, rather than hobbyists now.

If you cannot negotiate a good deal with the big industrial silicon manufacturers but you want good up-to-date kernels, RPis are a perfect option.

There are SoMs or SBCs with other CPUs like NXP or MediaTek that has more or less mainline support. However, they ask more money. The kernel contributions are also a bit on the shakier side which requires spending expensive developer time to deal with kernel issues that the CPU and the board manufacturer missed.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5 – 16GB RAM

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original vision IIRC was to provide a cheap computer for students in low-income families. You could plug into your TV at home and start learning. Then the hobby community got wind of it and proceeded to buy out all the stock on every release (myself included, I still have one of every first 3 versions sitting in my cabinet)

At this stage I think the way to realize this "cheap computer" vision is in unlocking smartphones. Either with an OS that behaves like a real computer that you can put on an old/cheap commodity phone, or with an app that creates a programmable environment layered over and isolated from the suffocating mobile OS.

The 80s kid in me still thinks dropping someone into a linux shell with a bunch of tools and no internet access is the best learning environment. Kids these days with their fancy tiktoks and such need to summon the old ways.
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