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Smudging the game disc to make speedrunning 'SpongeBob' faster

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Re: Smudging the game disc to make speedrunning 'SpongeBob' faster

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>a core tenet of speedrunning is preserving old games, not destroying them. That is not a core tenant of speed running. Software preservation is completely separate from speed running.

It's not entirely unrelated in that speed runs help preserve a community around the game.

Re: Smudging the game disc to make speedrunning 'SpongeBob' faster

#62

>a core tenet of speedrunning is preserving old games, not destroying them. That is not a core tenant of speed running. Software preservation is completely separate from speed running.

It's not entirely unrelated in that speed runs help preserve a community around the game.

A very different community both in kind and demographics. It introduces a new community to the game rather than preserving what once existed.

Re: Smudging the game disc to make speedrunning 'SpongeBob' faster

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post #57

Speed running is so bizarre to me, the rules seem so arbitrary. I struggle to see how any form of hardware level modification that results in a meaningful deviation in the behavior of the game would be allowed. At that point what's the difference between smudging your disk and using a GameShark, etc? Similar thoughts on things like shiny hunting in the Pokemon community.

What's 'allowed' in a speed run is decided by the community who do the speed running. Further, run leaderboards are broken into categories based around defined parameters. So, perhaps there would be a category unique to hardware manipulation such as this. For major speed running games, the rules are often very well defined and enforced.

Re: Smudging the game disc to make speedrunning 'SpongeBob' faster

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post #49

I’ve been following this game’s speedrun for years; I never expected to see it on the front page of HN! This post could use a (2021), because this trick was discovered years ago. For anyone interested in speedrunning, this game has some of the most insane tech I’ve seen in any game and is definitely worth checking out.

Is there a good video you could link to that covers this? Or is it apparent just from watching a run, from GDQ or something?

Unfortunately, there isn’t an up-to-date video that I’m aware of that explains the entire run in its totality. But you should get a pretty good idea from simply watching the run. It’s a marvel to watch, especially if it’s a game you’re familiar with. SHiFT’s most recent 100% record is probably a good place to start[1]. He’s the runner mentioned in the article and he’s held the record for every category that matters for 8.5-10 years. (Fair warning, though: he tends to use strong language and he’s almost always in a foul mood.)

If you do want a run with some explanation, GDQ is probably your best bet[2]. Unfortunately, the run hasn’t appeared at GDQ since AGDQ Online 2022, but you still get a pretty good idea of what I’m talking about, even if you don’t get to see how the run has evolved since then. That one is also an Any% run, so you can get an idea of the differences.

[1] https://youtu.be/FzkgU3EI-bk?is=G1NDOumOKUhqRbOU

[2] https://youtu.be/GX7aVH8Q0gg

Re: Smudging the game disc to make speedrunning 'SpongeBob' faster

#65
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'tech' in speed running is a reference to "technique" rather than "technology". https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Tech

Woah, I just realized (because of this comment) that I've been grouping "technique" and "technology" as a single thing in my understanding and calling it "technology"/"tech". For example, I would describe a method to do something in a video game as "tech" but in my mind I would expand it to "technology" if I thought about it. I didn't realize that the word "technique" would be a better fit in those contexts. Looking…

Funnily enough, I had been doing the same thing and it hadn’t even occurred to me that my comment might cause confusion for people who aren’t familiar with speedrunning lol

Re: Smudging the game disc to make speedrunning 'SpongeBob' faster

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a good video you could link to that covers this? Or is it apparent just from watching a run, from GDQ or something?

Unfortunately, there isn’t an up-to-date video that I’m aware of that explains the entire run in its totality. But you should get a pretty good idea from simply watching the run. It’s a marvel to watch, especially if it’s a game you’re familiar with. SHiFT’s most recent 100% record is probably a good place to start[1]. He’s the runner mentioned in the article and he’s held the record for every category that matters f…

Thanks!
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