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The Butlerian Jihad Has Begun

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Re: The Butlerian Jihad Has Begun

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Post by throrkfjo »

speak_plainly wrote: post #49

It probably feels this way if you're terminally online, but the US government recently revealed the existence of UFOs and no one even blinked or cared. A minority cares, but most people have zero interest. I think the French theorist Jean Baudrillard hit the nail on the head in the 1970s (Essay: In the Shadow of the Silent Majorities). He argued that modern media and technical systems neutralize political will throug…

It is kind of hard to "awake proletariat" if you advocate mass genocide aganst them. In past the revolution were ususlly in favour of majority, not againet them!

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Post by neutronicus »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #42
xena wrote: post #4

This was hard to read; the writer really did not come from the school of succinctness. If the writer is reading this, please try making an edit where you remove as much of the fluff and rephrase sentences like: > When I read this detail, tucked away near the end of a Guardian article, I winced to see another of my predictions come true; that the ‘Butlerian Jihad’ would soon enter public life not as mere literary meta…

Your version is considerably worse, and imo, more verbose. It misses a multitude of subtleties that the author packs into a single phrase, and frankly, doesn’t even come close to saying the same thing. I chalk it up to an American technical class who consider the height of good writing to be an O’Reilly book.

In particular, GP's version reads as introducing a defense of "AI companies", and this piece is not that.

To the extent that the article has a political thesis (the author was pretty careful to avoid one), I think it's "don't throw the LLM baby out with the OpenAI bathwater". But it's pretty clear to me that OpenAI being bathwater is taken as near-fact.

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Post by halJordan »

speak_plainly wrote: post #49

It probably feels this way if you're terminally online, but the US government recently revealed the existence of UFOs and no one even blinked or cared. A minority cares, but most people have zero interest. I think the French theorist Jean Baudrillard hit the nail on the head in the 1970s (Essay: In the Shadow of the Silent Majorities). He argued that modern media and technical systems neutralize political will throug…

But they didn't reveal the existence of ufo's in any sense that anyone would ever be interested.

Especially because the ufo's they did "reveal" have always been known and acknowledged. The term ufo has always been a term of art, stolen by conspiracy theorists. What's been revealed has strengthened the term of art, not the conspiracy theorists. Why would anyone be interested in more of the same?

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Post by kerblang »

speak_plainly wrote: post #49

It probably feels this way if you're terminally online, but the US government recently revealed the existence of UFOs and no one even blinked or cared. A minority cares, but most people have zero interest. I think the French theorist Jean Baudrillard hit the nail on the head in the 1970s (Essay: In the Shadow of the Silent Majorities). He argued that modern media and technical systems neutralize political will throug…

There is very clearly an angry backlash, even if it is a backlash against phantoms, even if people are only demanding a better liar than the previous. There are no psychological black holes; the stress builds and eventually explodes.

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Post by emptybits »

saddat wrote: post #23
pietervdvn wrote: post #8

Belgian action group "Code Rood" (Code Red) is planning to occupy a data centre next week... https://code-rouge.be/

Rebellion by the incompetent will not lead anywhere

I disagree. Witness western democracies which have seen incompetent majorities lead populist rebellions to control powerful seats in government, including the highest. Incompetence in large numbers definitely leads to big changes.

There may be a very very small amount of competence orchestrating and puppetmastering, but the rebellion works best when the majority of its supporters act on impulse and stop reasoning and thinking critically about the consequences of their vote (or decision not to).

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Post by Nicook »

lurkercodemnky wrote: post #14
Nicook wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the word has been twisted a bit, to compare it to holocaust is imo insane. I've known people named Jihad.

> I've known people named Jihad. I have known Indian / SE asian Ice cream shops named Hitler.

Sure but my point is still that its Arabic and not inherently violent etc. whereas the holocaust is a specific genocidal event.
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