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Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by Teever »

accrual wrote: post #15
PowerElectronix wrote: post #4

I can't wait to see the day I have to listen to the ad pitch of my robot butler before it goes make me a coffee.

I hope early home robotics will be like a game console launch - a community rush to break through any initial barriers to homebrew. Specific early firmwares will be desirable and a whole community will form around creating exploits and running user software. As old robot units fall out of service and are sold in bulk, the community will pick them up and keep them running.

I for one eagerly look forward to alien-autopsy like videos of people reverse engineering robots that they acquired by 'disabling' whatever equivalent of Lime/Bird/Volt service sends out on the streets to do stuff for people.

It'll be neat to walk through some weirdo mechanics shop that's full of robots in different states of disassembly that have been repurposed to help with whatever mad scientist hacker schemes that they have in mind.

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by marcusverus »

yalogin wrote: post #47

We are going to be conditioned into thinking 20k-50k for a robot is ok to spend. The question is how long before get there

Nobody has to condition me to see a useful robot as being worth 20K+. Being able to offload domestic labor would be a huge win. So would the more subtle benefits of living in a home that is always in pristine condition.

Once they're able to cook, they'll be in every middle-class household on earth.

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by skeledrew »

nearlyepic wrote: post #59
letmevoteplease wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Figure 03 is 134 pounds. 1x NEO (the only one really designed for household usage) is 66 pounds. Unitree R1 is 55 pounds. None of these are ready for real work yet but probably at some point in the future we will have practical humanoids.

All of these are more than enough weight to kill a toddler by falling on them. That, of course, ignores all the other hazards presented by (presumably) titanium limbs attached to actuators able to exert enough force to crush any extremity you care to name. The first person who has their child injured by one of these things will have a hell of a lawsuit on their hands.

A human on average weighs anywhere from ~110 - ~250 pounds (very broad guess). A human can also fall on and injure a child. And you can be sure that, similar to how bones are covered by layers of tissue and skin, robots designated for household use will be built with materials that improve safety during physical interaction. There isn't much difference.

Also the customer will very likely be asked to sign damage waivers and whatnot as part of the sale/rental agreement.

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by skeledrew »

letmevoteplease wrote: post #13
lenerdenator wrote: post #7

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Depends on what your definition of "good" is. If your definition is "it could, at some point, enable me to stop paying humans for their labor and pass along more of the value to major shareholders like myself", then yes, that's a reason to want humanoid robots. If your definition of "good" is a little more broadly scoped than the above - which it should be if you don't have an MBA and a substance abuse problem - then…

In a competitive market, this won't happen: "passing along more of the value to major shareholders like myself." The price of human labor will go down, but competition will force the price of goods to go down alongside it. Profit margins will stabilize, but the cost of living and the cost of goods will plummet. It's like the invention of the power loom: it was terrible for the wages of hand-weavers, but it made cloth…

I found Manna to be a decent read, with its dual vision of how a post-human-labour world could be.

http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by skeledrew »

lenerdenator wrote: post #7
trumpdong wrote: post #6

There is no good reason to have a humanoid robot. None. Dishwashers do best in a dishwasher shape.

Depends on what your definition of "good" is. If your definition is "it could, at some point, enable me to stop paying humans for their labor and pass along more of the value to major shareholders like myself", then yes, that's a reason to want humanoid robots. If your definition of "good" is a little more broadly scoped than the above - which it should be if you don't have an MBA and a substance abuse problem - then…

There won't be any value at all to pass along, as wage labour is the base requirement for a capital-driven economy.

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by raincom »

letmevoteplease wrote: post #13
lenerdenator wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on what your definition of "good" is. If your definition is "it could, at some point, enable me to stop paying humans for their labor and pass along more of the value to major shareholders like myself", then yes, that's a reason to want humanoid robots. If your definition of "good" is a little more broadly scoped than the above - which it should be if you don't have an MBA and a substance abuse problem - then…

In a competitive market, this won't happen: "passing along more of the value to major shareholders like myself." The price of human labor will go down, but competition will force the price of goods to go down alongside it. Profit margins will stabilize, but the cost of living and the cost of goods will plummet. It's like the invention of the power loom: it was terrible for the wages of hand-weavers, but it made cloth…

I'd love to see the cost of living go down. Unemployment raises fast; the cost of living goes down very slow, and it will take a few generations. That's why the underclass will go through a lot of pain.

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by jayGlow »

hilariously wrote: post #39
nerdjon wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A dishwasher is the only reason you can think of a humanoid robot? How about a robot to load and unload the dishwasher. The fact is we live in a world built for humans. I have a robot vacuum and for it to be effective I had to setup my home in a certain way, and even then it is not fully effective. People pay for cleaners to come into their home all the time, it shouldn't be hard to think why a humanoid robot would (…

You could build fully humanoid robots that solve every problem generically, or you could solve the sub problems much more efficiently - I don't know why everyone is all in on the hardest problem when in software and hardware we find that the "solve everything" tool basically doesn't work, because solving everything is usually solving nothing very fast.

I don't think most people would want dozens of task specific robots in their house it would be far more economic to have a single general purpose robot that can use pre existing tools and methods.

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by skeledrew »

hilariously wrote: post #39
nerdjon wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A dishwasher is the only reason you can think of a humanoid robot? How about a robot to load and unload the dishwasher. The fact is we live in a world built for humans. I have a robot vacuum and for it to be effective I had to setup my home in a certain way, and even then it is not fully effective. People pay for cleaners to come into their home all the time, it shouldn't be hard to think why a humanoid robot would (…

You could build fully humanoid robots that solve every problem generically, or you could solve the sub problems much more efficiently - I don't know why everyone is all in on the hardest problem when in software and hardware we find that the "solve everything" tool basically doesn't work, because solving everything is usually solving nothing very fast.

You can buy a camera, portable music player, handheld gaming console, eBook reader, dumb phone, calculator, etc to solve each sub problem efficiently. Or you can buy a smart phone that generically solves every relevant problem. What direction did you take and how is life with it?

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by hilariously »

jayGlow wrote: post #68
hilariously wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could build fully humanoid robots that solve every problem generically, or you could solve the sub problems much more efficiently - I don't know why everyone is all in on the hardest problem when in software and hardware we find that the "solve everything" tool basically doesn't work, because solving everything is usually solving nothing very fast.

I don't think most people would want dozens of task specific robots in their house it would be far more economic to have a single general purpose robot that can use pre existing tools and methods.

Right, I am saying that the fundamental design of household objects need to change to allow much simpler maintenance without humanoid robots.

I think its easier to build a dish washer that can stack plates from first principles than humanoid robots. The cultural shift is the harder part.

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