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How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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Post by CodesInChaos »

atlas1j wrote: post #47

My first, second, and third instinct here is to say this is pretty obvious and sloppy fraud. But it did remind me of the famous case discovered by David Kriesel where Xerox scanners changed documents in surprising ways. The caption on the YouTube video linked here is entertainingly accurate. https://www.dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/0802_xerox-workcentres... "On the scale of things too horrible to contemplate, "document-…

And now practically every phone camera "enhances" the image via AI that might invent details. Most famously Samsung adding details to photos of the moon.

Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

stronglikedan wrote: post #60
stevehawk wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/marine-sarah-fei... $40m for this person in the US

worth it for a lifetime of looking over your shoulder? maybe...

If you believe the conspiracy theories, that Boeing whistleblower “took his own life” before testimony and any potential payout.

Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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Post by 20k »

arcade79 wrote: post #10

I have no idea about this catalogue, however, looking at the article and how the image manipulation has happened - it looks very much like "repro" work back in the day. Anything that large companies published in/as magazines, etc, back in the 80/90s first went to a design company. Then to a repro company for the "finishing touches" to make it look nice. Faces were touched up, photo artifacts was removed, everything w…

In some of the experiments, the same random noise background exists with different black blobs superimposed at where you expect the correct value to be. Ie they took a fixed realistic-ish looking background, and drew in the 'correct' values

Its hard to argue that that isn't fraud as a result. It isn't touching up existing data, its fully fabricating data

Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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Post by doctorpangloss »

vikramkr wrote: post #46

https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/home/life-science/antibod... > Moving forward, where an original image is not present or available, the Company will ensure that website users are informed that antibody images may have been optimized for presentation and clarity on the website. wut. Bro if you don't have an original valiation image then the answer is not to say "oh we'll make sure we communicate that we're making u…

> 6. Did Thermo Fisher manipulate or fabricate antibody data?

> No.

Listen to these guys. What assholes.

Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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Post by refulgentis »

atlas1j wrote: post #47

My first, second, and third instinct here is to say this is pretty obvious and sloppy fraud. But it did remind me of the famous case discovered by David Kriesel where Xerox scanners changed documents in surprising ways. The caption on the YouTube video linked here is entertainingly accurate. https://www.dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/0802_xerox-workcentres... "On the scale of things too horrible to contemplate, "document-…

Nice! Just because you’re the top comment, I feel it is helpful to quick readers to point out that it has 0 to do with what happened here. :)

Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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Post by Terr_ »

CodesInChaos wrote: post #61
atlas1j wrote: post #47

My first, second, and third instinct here is to say this is pretty obvious and sloppy fraud. But it did remind me of the famous case discovered by David Kriesel where Xerox scanners changed documents in surprising ways. The caption on the YouTube video linked here is entertainingly accurate. https://www.dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/0802_xerox-workcentres... "On the scale of things too horrible to contemplate, "document-…

And now practically every phone camera "enhances" the image via AI that might invent details. Most famously Samsung adding details to photos of the moon.

I'm scared that the "AI" marketing will make it much harder convincing non-technical coworkers and execs that "garbage in, garbage out" is a real concept, that not all "data" is good, and that our systems need to keep track of which kind is going where.

"All data is useful, the more the better! Just put it all into the AI and it'll sort it out."

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