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Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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I wonder how they determine an applicant's ethnicity. Is it by the name?

From a glance at the paper (https://arxiv.org/pdf/2605.27371) it looks like they're using self-reported ethnicity.

"We only attempt to identify adverse impact based on self-reported racial information and do not impute data, noting that we do not have access to features like applicant name. 62.35% of all applicants in the data do not self-report race as belonging to one of the four racial groups we study."

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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post #14

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I am miserably bad at soft-skills interviews and never get past this round. Been over a year since I've had somebody actually try to assess my technical competency in any real capacity. I'm also getting maybe 1 INITIAL interview every 3 months right now because of this AI screening stuff and I just haven't felt like re-writing my resume to game them.

Aren’t soft skills much more important than hard skills when it comes to building a team?

The easier the task, the more likely it is for soft skills to matter.

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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I don't have a dog in the race, also I'm not based in the US, but aren't intelligence tests for hiring illegal in the US? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co .

Not if they are dressed up in a particular way, and not if intelligence is genuinely relevant. I have done a few of these tests for jobs in the US before. They are just bad.

The 2000 census gave enumerator applicants a small multiple choice test that was similar to an IQ and then they hired foremen and line workers working down from the highest scores. I've never worked with as many smart people at a temp job!

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am miserably bad at soft-skills interviews and never get past this round. Been over a year since I've had somebody actually try to assess my technical competency in any real capacity. I'm also getting maybe 1 INITIAL interview every 3 months right now because of this AI screening stuff and I just haven't felt like re-writing my resume to game them.

Aren’t soft skills much more important than hard skills when it comes to building a team?

We need to be careful about those absolutes.

The guy from the carbon fiber + silver tape titanic sub had super people skills. But if you don’t want to be crushed in a submarine by a 10.000 feet water column, you’ll rather have the clumsy/awkward/jerk guy with superb tech skills leading the project.

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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This is keeping me out of work at the moment. The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me. They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related . (The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whit…

I don't have a dog in the race, also I'm not based in the US, but aren't intelligence tests for hiring illegal in the US? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co .

Coinbase wanted me to do one before I did the second round of interviews and I'm in the US. Intelligence and personality tests. Wound up telling them that I didn't want to enable the type of discrimination they facilitate and that with the best faith reasoning for using them is at best a sign the company is indexing on the wrong things for hiring.

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post #45
post #13

This is keeping me out of work at the moment. The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me. They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related . (The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whit…

I passed a series of those and since I remembered the questions from a relatives autism diagnosis testing I asked what they do since they are effectively filtering for things like that. HR rep said those applicants should probably go see a shrink instead (!!???) and that was the end of me interviewing there. The testing needs to end. The people using these tools don't know how they work, what they are testing and wha…

Wait, they’re filtering out autistic traits or looking for them in candidates?

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a dog in the race, also I'm not based in the US, but aren't intelligence tests for hiring illegal in the US? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co .

Coinbase wanted me to do one before I did the second round of interviews and I'm in the US. Intelligence and personality tests. Wound up telling them that I didn't want to enable the type of discrimination they facilitate and that with the best faith reasoning for using them is at best a sign the company is indexing on the wrong things for hiring.

That told me they wanted me to do this and I told them to pound sand. Doesn't help that their online reviews indicate its a sweatshop.

Anyway, they did layoffs like 2 weeks later so I guess I dodged a bullet there.

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Highly dependent on ones specific financial situation, risk-tolerance, and employment trajectory. While not a personal preference, most acquire revenue properties as they build equity over time. Assets secure lower loan rates, qualify mortgage fixed-payment schedules on investments, and require good management-companies to handle leases. Generally, mitigating tax exposures by investing in small businesses is still po…

So basically, in order to have a steady stream of money coming in, you need to start with having a steady stream of money coming in? :-D

Some spend their time investing from an early age... classifying assets and liabilities. My point was a few grand invested as a kid seems small, but will turn into a lot several decades later.

Others spend their lives making decisions out of impulsive narcissism. Unless you are a trust-fund kid, life can have very real consequences if things go sideways.

Most will learn the hard way... only lawyers and politicians get paid for excuses in life. =3

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Highly dependent on ones specific financial situation, risk-tolerance, and employment trajectory. While not a personal preference, most acquire revenue properties as they build equity over time. Assets secure lower loan rates, qualify mortgage fixed-payment schedules on investments, and require good management-companies to handle leases. Generally, mitigating tax exposures by investing in small businesses is still po…

So basically, in order to have a steady stream of money coming in, you need to start with having a steady stream of money coming in? :-D

And often your investments will lose you money, so try to avoid the unprofitable ones, especially when starting out.

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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post #13

This is keeping me out of work at the moment. The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me. They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related . (The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whit…

It's quite scary. I think a lot of these HR types are true believers. They think that

1) these tests are valid and objective

2) they are qualified to understand how personalities would interact in a complex system

It's astrology for professionals, and companies have let themselves be captured by what are effectively religious zealots.

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