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Anthropic/OpenAI may be spending more than $1000 for every $100 you pay them

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Re: Anthropic/OpenAI may be spending more than $1000 for every $100 you pay them

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I see combined estimated revenue for Q1/2026 to be $15B to $20B, depending on source. I also see combined estimated spend Q1/2026 at $15 to $20B, depending on source. Someone or something is having an hallucination that would make an AI jealous

There are no revenue estimates in the article). Only as serious as possible estimates of cost per task.

Re: Anthropic/OpenAI may be spending more than $1000 for every $100 you pay them

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Hang on to your wallet, you ain't seen nothing yet. The true cost of AI won't be revealed until after a large portion of the customer base has become "hooked" on it.

“Hooked” is doing a lot of work there. I’m happily paying $200/mo for Claude code. The tokens I use would be >$10k at API rates. I’m building the best products of my life, and multiple of them in parallel. I’m doing better creative work, finally realizing a game idea I’ve had no time for, etc. If this level of usage goes to $500/mo… I’ll be out. It’s worth what I’m paying, but hey I went a decade without writing that…

That is interesting. $200/month for >$10k at API-pricing? That's way more than the 2.5x-12.5x the article observes.

Re: Anthropic/OpenAI may be spending more than $1000 for every $100 you pay them

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Anthropic and openai has the most efficient tokens per unit of compute on the planet and honestly that's their current moat. They're able to serve tokens at half the cost of any opensource provider. Here's the costs to serve opus 4.7 in china on aws according to one of my connections that operates an enterprise account in the region: Input: $0.257 Output: $1.286 Cache read: $0.0257 Cache write: $0.322 And I have zero…

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Re: Anthropic/OpenAI may be spending more than $1000 for every $100 you pay them

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post #61

I see combined estimated revenue for Q1/2026 to be $15B to $20B, depending on source. I also see combined estimated spend Q1/2026 at $15 to $20B, depending on source. Someone or something is having an hallucination that would make an AI jealous

There are no revenue estimates in the article). Only as serious as possible estimates of cost per task.

right, author did not bother to do some simple queries for actual revenue vs actual costs

banks used to lose a lot of money on those toasters, amazing they are still in business

Re: Anthropic/OpenAI may be spending more than $1000 for every $100 you pay them

#69
The people pushing the “AI is heavily subsidised” narrative don’t realise it actually flatters Anthropic and OpenAI more than the alternative.

If it is subsidised, fine – the incumbents absorb the losses, or lean on hyperscalers like Google or Microsoft who can cross-subsidise across other revenue streams. But if it isn’t, that’s the worse outcome for them: inference is just cheap, competition kicks in, prices crater, end users win.

Either way, local models win. If the incumbents are forced to turn a profit, pricing goes up and as local compute gets good enough to handle most use cases, people flock to it. And if inference is just cheap, that means the compute requirements are lower than we thought, and local hardware gets there even faster.

Bullish on local either way. We’ll find out once the Anthropic S-1 drops.

Re: Anthropic/OpenAI may be spending more than $1000 for every $100 you pay them

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Anthropic and openai has the most efficient tokens per unit of compute on the planet and honestly that's their current moat. They're able to serve tokens at half the cost of any opensource provider. Here's the costs to serve opus 4.7 in china on aws according to one of my connections that operates an enterprise account in the region: Input: $0.257 Output: $1.286 Cache read: $0.0257 Cache write: $0.322 And I have zero…

My understanding is there's local API resellers who provide gateway access to bundle claude/openai with other cheaper PRC models via routing to water down price. The resellers are bulk generating pro accounts / trials i.e. basically 100% subsidized by Anthropic/OpenAI. Resellers also sell for cost or below cost because they're intercepting training data to resell. The economics of PRC token is divorced from Anthropic and OpenAi, i.e. PRC gray market tokens are most "efficient" for shadow trial resellers (who basically pays for disposable sign up sim) and least efficient (as in negative sum) for providers who convert none of the subsidized trial accounts into paying.
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