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Field of clones: How horse replicas came to dominate polo

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Re: Field of clones: How horse replicas came to dominate polo

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Humans can likely be cloned too. Imagine 10,000 Albert Einsteins and John von Neumanns working together with modern AI on medical, scientific, and societal issues. Though there could be an Evil Einstein due to upbringing or something.

I am not sure if the Einsteins you clone would do what you want. Maybe they will want to be influencers on short video platforms.

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Re: Field of clones: How horse replicas came to dominate polo

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Humans can likely be cloned too. Imagine 10,000 Albert Einsteins and John von Neumanns working together with modern AI on medical, scientific, and societal issues. Though there could be an Evil Einstein due to upbringing or something.

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops. (quote by Stephen Jay Gould)

Why not both?

Re: Field of clones: How horse replicas came to dominate polo

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops. (quote by Stephen Jay Gould)

I don't see the point of your comment besides sidestepping a clearly revolutionary mind and an interesting scenario.

The point of my comment is to call attention to the SV tendency of hyper-focusing on the newest shiny toy as a solution to all problems while ignoring the real solutions to the real problems we have right now.

If we assume roughly 1.2k people were as smart as Einstein when he was born then, thanks to birth rates, we could have our "10000 Albert Einsteins" today. Statistically speaking ~3k of them alone were born in either India or China and are probably working a regular, badly-to-okay paid job [1]. We could be recruiting them today.

But no one cares about that because the premise is flawed and it's not about solving "medical, scientific, and societal issues". It's about making money and chasing "interesting scenarios" instead of actual solutions. As the meme format goes, men will literally clone Albert Einstein's brain instead of giving proper funding to schools.

And sure, chasing SF scenarios is fun, but let's not pretend that any of it is about making society better. As the sibling comment points out, we are more likely to get a clone of Rupert Murdoch than one of Stephen Hawking.

[1] For extra irony we can imagine a non-zero number of them work for patent offices.

Re: Field of clones: How horse replicas came to dominate polo

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post #15

Humans can likely be cloned too. Imagine 10,000 Albert Einsteins and John von Neumanns working together with modern AI on medical, scientific, and societal issues. Though there could be an Evil Einstein due to upbringing or something.

Don't twin studies mostly show this wouldn't be the case?

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Re: Field of clones: How horse replicas came to dominate polo

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post #51

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Surprisingly yes!

Ah horse “iron’man” race where the horse had to be swam (or sailed) sailed 25 km would indeed be epic and also great for the resurgence of sailng as practical transport. Probably cruel for the horses though.

This is easy enough to solve if you use a cloned horse that has had some CRISPR genetics done so that it now has fish gills and can breathe as normally underwater as it can on land. You probably drown a few horses before you find one that swims well but, as we all know, once you identify that one horse that can manage that feat you have a monopoly on the game.

Re: Field of clones: How horse replicas came to dominate polo

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops. (quote by Stephen Jay Gould)

I don't see the point of your comment besides sidestepping a clearly revolutionary mind and an interesting scenario.

I think part of the point is that Einstein’s genius was only partially the brain. It was also a unique upbringing in a specific point in time that made it possible. We would have many more geniuses if we game more people the opportunities.

Re: Field of clones: How horse replicas came to dominate polo

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post #16

The thing is, what if there's an even better horse out there? Once you get on the cloning bandwagon, don't you also lock yourself out of looking/evolving an even better horse?

I’m reminded of the old “do you want the boat, or what’s behind the door? It could be anything, even a boat!” I’m not a polo player but in most games if you’ve already hit the 99.99th percentile, it’s not wise to roll the dice hoping to do better.

In the future, all football will be played by Messi clones and all hockey by Gretzkies.

Re: Field of clones: How horse replicas came to dominate polo

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post #26
post #16

The thing is, what if there's an even better horse out there? Once you get on the cloning bandwagon, don't you also lock yourself out of looking/evolving an even better horse?

There’s commodities and then R&D. Ignoring every other moral consideration, this horse cloning has turned a biological asset into a (relative)commodity, and if people were looking for better horses they’d stick to the randomized mutation of regular breeding which has that built in as a feature. This isn’t even the only instance of this technique. You can look at the Argentinian president Milei who hired a company to…

You forgot the /s

That is a slam campaign by Milei's political opposition; the company the article mentions (perPETuate) only collects DNA for when cloning becomes feasible. That Time magazine and NY Times repeated the silliness is more a reflection upon modern editorial standards than anything else.

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