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Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by storus »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #27
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #4

I'm cautiously optimistic. The Cloud and AI Development Act looks especially interesting: --- # Capacity * at least tripling the EU’s data centre capacity within the next 5–7 years; * simplifying and accelerating permitting and deployment of data centres; * improving access to key resources such as energy, land, water and financing; ensuring sufficient computing capacity to support AI, cloud services and data-intensi…

I'm more than cautious too: > ... initiatives that are interconnected and mutually reinforcing across each stage of the value chain, from chips, to infrastructure, to software, cloud and AI, and in synergy with past and ongoing initiatives such as AI Factories and AI Gigafactories Software / Cloud: yes, Europe can try to do something but I doubt it. Although it should be pointed out that the EU has one software compa…

NOKIA was the only competitive/innovative EU company until US funds with high stakes in MS bought it, planted their trojan horse of a CEO and made it into a headless chicken sacrificed for a chance of MS to stay relevant in the mobile industry.

Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by joe_mamba »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #54
nradov wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ironic that the EU has adopted English as their primary language now that England is no longer in the EU.

It almost certainly makes it easier to adopt English, since it no longer has the political optics of favoring a country.

Ireland?

Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by trumpdong »

Vespasian wrote: post #45
TacticalCoder wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm more than cautious too: > ... initiatives that are interconnected and mutually reinforcing across each stage of the value chain, from chips, to infrastructure, to software, cloud and AI, and in synergy with past and ongoing initiatives such as AI Factories and AI Gigafactories Software / Cloud: yes, Europe can try to do something but I doubt it. Although it should be pointed out that the EU has one software compa…

ok how would you recommend to get started? Doing nothing will change nothing.

They should stop sending people to jail for operating a website with UGC, a public WiFi hotspot, or for completing the wrong bureaucratic forms. However free the US is, Europe is the opposite extreme. Everything has a bureaucratic process and if you don't do it right you go to jail. I'm stuck there and scared to do anything innovative.

Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by joe_mamba »

kaon_2 wrote: post #38
DeathArrow wrote: post #12

Europe started going backwards from some time. Energy is becoming more expensive, raw materials are becoming more expensive, industry is thickening, jobs are closed, education is not ok, most important tech developments are happening elsewhere, we don't have a thriving startup environment, most large tech companies are established elsewhere. Maybe we will wake up at some point and do something. Discourses won't put f…

Poland is doing fine. Southern Europe is doing very well. Greece is growing superfast. Switzerland is still one the richest and successful countries in the world. Denmark is amazing. Germany and the UK are the sick men of Europe. France is going brankrupt. Careful with confusing the 19th century superpowers with the whole of Europe. Yes cost of living has increased by which i mean real wages have stalled in many plac…

> Southern Europe is doing very well. Greece is growing superfast.

Citation needed.

Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by f33d5173 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #62
jandrewrogers wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It almost certainly makes it easier to adopt English, since it no longer has the political optics of favoring a country.

Ireland?

Ireland can claim that actually they'd rather it be gaelic. It has the perception of a colonizer language for them too.

Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by tancop »

kvgr wrote: post #50
Vespasian wrote: post #45

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ok how would you recommend to get started? Doing nothing will change nothing.

Make the work market, business market and everything 90% less complicated across EU. I would actually dictatorially made all work and company laws obsolete. EU company, flat tax 20%, goodbye. One month no reason firing. I just thought about how crazy is the car situation, you move somewhere with your car, for couple months and you SHOULD reregister your car, because of law and insurance, costs money, then you go back…

> EU company, flat tax 20%, goodbye. One month no reason firing.

thats how you get a hyper capitalist nightmare like south korea. firing with less bureaucracy makes sense but if your company really needs it that is already a legal reason, american style at will employment just takes away stability from workers.

for the tax part i support lower or zero VAT (taxing consumption is always regressive) but we need to replace it with high and progressive taxes on paid out profits, both dividends and buybacks/indirect payouts. at least 60% for the top bracket. also capping total comp to 5x the companys median like in some nordic countries.

Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by s_dev »

joe_mamba wrote: post #59
s_dev wrote: post #35

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The US has these issues as well as still has a strong tech sector, you also have to keep in mind a successful outcome for the EU won't be what the US has right now either. You get charts like this floating around the internet: https://postimg.cc/Yh8TPs8g Nearly always presented as a 'dick swinging' look how great we are chart in a EU vs US vs China stand off. However it reveals flaws in the US as well. A successful t…

>A handful of giants is not desired here in the EU Then explain the giant Airbus. Or the giant VW. Or the giant Siemens. Or the giant Dassault. Or the giant ABB. Or the giant Stellantis. Or the giants Shell and Total. Or the giants BNP Paribas and Santander. This whole "EU hates giants" trope being repeated on HN is just unfounded cope at EU's failure to scale and grow its newer domestic players to challenge the ones…

Joe Biden says ‘oligarchy’ emerging in US in final White House address

https://www.ft.com/content/262f2980-a380-45b0-bcaf-1d7d68918...

Average American is suffering and it's them who's coping with the idea that a small percentage of Americans are at least getting extremely wealthy.

US is threatening to invade Canada and Greenland, this sort of rhetoric is beyond unhinged. The US under Trump has literally been downgraded as a 'liberal democracy' and is now an 'electoral democracy' the same category as Hungary under Orban. https://www.v-dem.net/documents/75/V-Dem_Institute_Democracy...

The EU has no giants, what you listed are large companies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_corporations_by...

Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by joe_mamba »

s_dev wrote: post #68
joe_mamba wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A handful of giants is not desired here in the EU Then explain the giant Airbus. Or the giant VW. Or the giant Siemens. Or the giant Dassault. Or the giant ABB. Or the giant Stellantis. Or the giants Shell and Total. Or the giants BNP Paribas and Santander. This whole "EU hates giants" trope being repeated on HN is just unfounded cope at EU's failure to scale and grow its newer domestic players to challenge the ones…

Joe Biden says ‘oligarchy’ emerging in US in final White House address https://www.ft.com/content/262f2980-a380-45b0-bcaf-1d7d68918... Average American is suffering and it's them who's coping with the idea that a small percentage of Americans are at least getting extremely wealthy. US is threatening to invade Canada and Greenland, this sort of rhetoric is beyond unhinged. The US under Trump has literally been downgra…

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Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by selfhoster1312 »

snowpid wrote: post #51
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #4

I'm cautiously optimistic. The Cloud and AI Development Act looks especially interesting: --- # Capacity * at least tripling the EU’s data centre capacity within the next 5–7 years; * simplifying and accelerating permitting and deployment of data centres; * improving access to key resources such as energy, land, water and financing; ensuring sufficient computing capacity to support AI, cloud services and data-intensi…

Degrowth was only popular in Germany, UK and Spain. https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/no-solid-scientific-basis-deg... Germany and UK follow a the no growth and it is very unpopular. Spain's economy gives a shit and grows.

You seem somewhat confused about this issue. Degrowth has little to do with abstract economic numbers such as GDP, and precisely criticizes its very concept. Degrowth is an alternative to greenwashing, aka "green growth" destroying our planet in the name of saving it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrowth

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