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Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by stefan_ »

dheera wrote: post #60
stefan_ wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The report on that incident says there was a hardware modification to make this impossible, to be incorporated before Jan 2023. (It also says this happened to Boeing in 2018 and they ignored it, of course)

Wonder why they don't just grab a huge permanent Sharpie and write in huge letters "Do not insert pin here" on one hole and "Insert pin here" on the other hole. I'm actually serious, it seems to me they resist these kind of short-term helpers that would save lots of injuries.

I think the report says they just put a little cover on the hole where the pin shouldn't go (but can).

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by binaryturtle »

dragontamer wrote: post #10
binaryturtle wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I duckduckgo'ed "nose gear collapse" earlier and it seems it may be an issue that's more common than expected? At least there were lots of images of airplanes with broken front wheels and the nose touching the floor.

This is a joke about "The Front Fell Off", a classic comedy video from a few decades ago.

I learned something new. That also explain why it was a quote and I didn't found the quoted part in the news item itself. :)

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by bgirard »

Havoc wrote: post #23

I don't understand how that caused several injuries among a pretty small group (staff)? Google says front wheel is about 1.68m. High but not crazy high. Plane body and people fall at same speed and it would be slower than actual freefall since the plane is vaguely balance-ish on rear wheels I'm sure the reporting is right but feels counterintuitive to me

A ground level fall can be fatal for a senior. Throw in freak accident factors and other vulnerable demographics it's not very surprising to me.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #3

Can someone tell me if this is just confirmation bias or is Boeing really going down this hard? I mean management was obviously tanking since the McDonnell Douglas takeover, but did it really take almost 30 years for this to shine through? Or were these things underreported in the last decades?

I used to bring up issues in good faith regarding Boeing because it needs to improve. But it seems like HN is taking out anti-Americanism sentiment and a bit of Euro pro-Airbus, so I kinda stopped because it went from productive to attempts to create a false narrative.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by dheera »

stefan_ wrote: post #61
dheera wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder why they don't just grab a huge permanent Sharpie and write in huge letters "Do not insert pin here" on one hole and "Insert pin here" on the other hole. I'm actually serious, it seems to me they resist these kind of short-term helpers that would save lots of injuries.

I think the report says they just put a little cover on the hole where the pin shouldn't go (but can).

Sure, but they probably took 3 years to have a design review, an executive review, some firings and layoffs, re-hire, orientation, a sprint planning meeting, a sprint retro, a post mortem, an OKR meeting, a KPI meeting, an all-hands, and then the cover probably got stuck in customs with tariffs, and then the tolerances probably weren't correct.

Meanwhile the sharpie would take 1 minute.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by 866-RON-0-FEZ »

netsharc wrote: post #47
cwizou wrote: post #19

Same thing happened to British Airways a few years ago on a 787, a misplaced security pin that was inserted in the wrong place during a maintenance operation. There are two very similar holes next to one another that can receive the pin, there's a picture at the bottom here : https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/318989 Wondering if the same mishap is behind it again.

The aircraft is 1 year old and was delivered in January... But, fucking hell, apparently Boeing "engineers" are so dumb they never learned about Murphy's law.

I bet you would blame the automotive engineers too after reversing your car through the garage door.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by dlcarrier »

midiguy wrote: post #6

So a plane which has withstood probably countless landings, had its nose gear collapse while sitting statically at a gate of all times and places? Weird.

This is the third time in three years that a nose gear has collapsed while stopped or moving slowly: https://avherald.com/h?article=52292bd1 https://avherald.com/h?article=51816daf

Each time has been on different aircraft models, but there's not a lot of variation in nose wheel retraction design on airliners. There's a myriad of ways something could go wrong to make it happen, but considering how many flights there are per day, it's still an extremely rare event.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by dlcarrier »

Havoc wrote: post #23

I don't understand how that caused several injuries among a pretty small group (staff)? Google says front wheel is about 1.68m. High but not crazy high. Plane body and people fall at same speed and it would be slower than actual freefall since the plane is vaguely balance-ish on rear wheels I'm sure the reporting is right but feels counterintuitive to me

I have relatives that work in the industry. There's liability reasons why staff regularly get taken to a hospital and evaluated, for the most minor things. If it were full of passengers boarding, there'd likely be more staff injuries reported than passenger injuries, despite the latter group being an order of magnitude larger.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by dlcarrier »

binaryturtle wrote: post #62
dragontamer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a joke about "The Front Fell Off", a classic comedy video from a few decades ago.

I learned something new. That also explain why it was a quote and I didn't found the quoted part in the news item itself. :)

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