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What I've learned about the trombone

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Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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For those who played in high school and then put your instrument down for 40 years, you can pick it back up and play again! One of the great joys of my life now is playing trombone in a local band with other people just like me--relearning their instruments and making new friends. New Horizons Band: https://newhorizonsmusic.org/Find_a_Group

Me too! Except it’s the tuba. Whomp whomp.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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I think you'll enjoy this: an acoustically-accurate trombone in the web browser. https://github.com/bignimbus/trombone.js

>The tone is generated using two sawtooth oscillators

I interpreted "acoustically-accurate" to mean physically modeled in some way. Filtered sawtooth makes a simple brass-like timbre, but 80% still sounds synthetic.

Really neat anyways, thanks for sharing.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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not with EBVTIII. Some temperaments would, but Bach showed it was possible to do without. (Bach did not use equal temperament)

JS Bach did not use a piano either. Because so much of music was written around the organ (e.g. vocal music sung in tune with a church organ) tuning was what it was. The well tempered clavier is exceptional because it is an exception to the vast majority of JS Bach’s work.

My family has a harpsichord, so I've learned a fair amount about it, though I'm not the one who plays it.

Harpsichords went out of tune easily and quickly, so they had to be tuned at least as often as every performance.

The way I look at it, a musical scale is a technology. Often, a particular technology is chosen because it solves multiple problems with acceptable compromises. A problem for the harpsichord is that the musician has to tune it themselves, often quickly, to make it sound good enough for a performance.

We don't attempt equal temperament on the thing.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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Indeed, a trumpet has one slide for tuning only and two more slides that are used while playing, so it's not even technically correct.

Your trumpet maybe, but my trumpet from 1957 only has tuning slides, which cannot be used while playing.

Interesting. A student horn I guess? I've never owned one that didn't have at least a third valve slide ring. I think they were widespread around the time that the trumpet really took over from the cornet, around 1900-1920. My pre-War Olds has moving slides.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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I've been trying to square the physics and my experience. Pedal B flat is the fundamental, low B flat is the 2x, F 3x, mid B flat the 4x, D the 5X, high F is 6X, G half sharp is 7X and high B flat is 8X. The position your music teacher most likely will have told you to adjust is 2nd position - you play it slightly sharper for an A vs the E or C sharp it's also used for. Why is that? It's the major 3rd that has the la…

> I've been trying to square the physics and my experience.

> Pedal B flat is the fundamental, low B flat is the 2x, F 3x, mid B flat the 4x, D the 5X, high F is 6X, G half sharp is 7X and high B flat is 8X.

I've always been amused at how many sources state the "tube with one end open" model, derive the "odd harmonics only" behavior from the model, and then never engage with the observable behavior of the instrument or reconcile it with the model.

I did find this when trying to understand that disparity, but I don't know enough to confirm/refute/amend the explanation:

https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/292724

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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I've been trying to square the physics and my experience. Pedal B flat is the fundamental, low B flat is the 2x, F 3x, mid B flat the 4x, D the 5X, high F is 6X, G half sharp is 7X and high B flat is 8X. The position your music teacher most likely will have told you to adjust is 2nd position - you play it slightly sharper for an A vs the E or C sharp it's also used for. Why is that? It's the major 3rd that has the la…

> I've been trying to square the physics and my experience. > Pedal B flat is the fundamental, low B flat is the 2x, F 3x, mid B flat the 4x, D the 5X, high F is 6X, G half sharp is 7X and high B flat is 8X. I've always been amused at how many sources state the "tube with one end open" model, derive the "odd harmonics only" behavior from the model, and then never engage with the observable behavior of the instrument…

Thank you! I did notice that "odd harmonics" thing but never connected the dots and realized I was contradicting the article.

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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For those who played in high school and then put your instrument down for 40 years, you can pick it back up and play again! One of the great joys of my life now is playing trombone in a local band with other people just like me--relearning their instruments and making new friends. New Horizons Band: https://newhorizonsmusic.org/Find_a_Group

My high school band teacher and my father have both performed with New Horizons. Great group.

i loved when they reached Pluto, great job!

Re: What I've learned about the trombone

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A couple of comments:

> But any instrument that’s not the piano or guitar can actually make micro-adjustments while playing a song

You can make micro adjustments on a guitar, but only to be sharper[1]

> But for now, one obvious advantage is that this allows us to do “real” glissandos, where the pitch smoothly transitions from one note to another

For a famous example of a "fake" glissando, the opening clarinet solo of Rhapsody in Blue, which, as typically performed, is rather smooth from D5 to C6[2]

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_bending

2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykFWUEHhkMw

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