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Re: I don't want my search engine to think for me

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When LLM results started being shoved into standard result pages, I immediately added them to my ever-growing Userscript, CSS mods and uBO filters for https://www.google.com/search*.

That said, I DO sometimes prompt explicit web searches via LLM because for certain searches, an LLM can be the best tool for the job. It's almost always cases where it's hard to target terms with inclusions, exclusions and booleans (even if Google hadn't partially nerfed them). This is usually due to English language ambiguities in word meaning and LLMs are actually ideal for that because they already have discrete tokens for "Wear" (as in clothes) and "Wear" (as in tires).

My conflict with Google product managers arises because I'm an advanced search user and I know when an LLM is the best tool for a search and when it's not. And when it's not, LLM results are always cognitive noise that just gets in the way and eats screen-space. I understand that most users may not be able to reliably make that distinction but Google refuses to offer any option for users like me to enable a functional experience, even buried in an advanced menu.

I don't think this gap is just monetization driven. I've worked as a senior group PM in a FAANG-ish tech company and I suspect the problem is related to a deeper issue I saw in many UX designers and product managers - an inability to accurately model the frequency and quantity of ways "automatic" or default options can fail to serve users. It's an insidious issue because it tends to appear as the absence of signal in normal interface usage analytics. And it's hard to detect in focus group and observational studies, unless you aggressively look for it. And they usually don't because there's an innate bias pushing them toward believing the automatic "it just works" solution serves everyone as well as they've designed it to. They insist it must be right because it's exactly the sort of elegant, simple solution their D-School profs graded highly.

Re: I don't want my search engine to think for me

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I don't want either, if I'm indeed "searching." But I find that often times I am indeed just looking for a quick answer, and Gemini/Google's "new" search does it fine. It's one of the few AI features, despite still being shoved in my face, that I actually find useful. With that said, the worst thing is how search results have degraded significantly since the AI years, even before they added the actual "AI mode." Goog…

If you want Gemini to answer your question, why not go directly to Gemini?

Sometimes it's not very clear what I really want when typing.

Also, Google Search's AI answer doesn't prevent the actual search results from still showing below; so if I later realize I need those (search results) instead, they're already there.

Also, I use browsers all the time, so typing things into the location bar is quicker than deliberately opening the Gemini app/website or whatever.

I value one fewer click/action a lot when such an action will be performed hundreds of times a day.

Re: I don't want my search engine to think for me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you believe your comment adds to the discussion about this article?

I agree I run the risk of being wrong and could at least provide some evidence, but I think at the very least it can be one additional piece of information someone could use in their consumption of this content.

If you can't be bothered to write even one specific thing from the article content you object to, then your account might as well be a pre-LLM bot that just posts "first" or "LLM Content" which is somehow even lazier than an LLM blog post.

Re: I don't want my search engine to think for me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer more proof / context than GP gave, but I personally find it very useful to see people making judgements about AI-assistance of articles. Almost no such articles are worth my time, and the more HN people saying it, the more I know not to click past the HN headline.

Pangram agrees it's 100% LLM written.

But I'm sure you understand that AI-driven "AI detectors" have an error rate of probably 90%, right?

I've heard of people taking old writings from 30 years ago, feeding it to an AI detector, and being told "this is AI"

Re: I don't want my search engine to think for me

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LLM-written article.

Explain your reasoning beyond "oh they used em dashes"

There's a recognizable style to the overall piece.

The subheadings for example "The summary is not the answer" and "The verification problem is real and it compounds" are typical being punchy but not really making much sense.

Also consider

>This is slower. That's real. It's more work. And it is, in practice, more accurate — because accuracy in information retrieval is a function of reading, not of being read to.

The over punchy - It's this. It's that. It's the other - is typical or LLMs. The accuracy being a function of reading not being read to doesn't really make sense - with both normal results and AI you are reading.

etc.

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