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Amazon Has Axed Its New Stargate Series

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Re: Amazon Has Axed Its New Stargate Series

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Post by jhogendorn »

rgblambda wrote: post #48
le-mark wrote: post #8

> the studio were concerned that Gero’s take on the series “would not have broad appeal beyond the franchise’s already dedicated fanbase.” This is a key component in reviving a legacy IP It was popular because of who? The fans! No one needed the Disney-ization of Stargate. This is probably a good thing.

As bummed as I am by this news, I kinda understand the logic. The fan base likely didn't make up the majority of viewing figures when SG-1 and it's spin-offs were on the air. Otherwise, it would have been revived much sooner after their big bet on direct to DVD movies didn't pan out.

As far as I understand it, the movies were actually very successful, but there was some kind of internal politicking or studio issue and they just didnt continue.

Re: Amazon Has Axed Its New Stargate Series

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Post by Sebguer »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #30
Sebguer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"modern wokeness", ah, yes. Because the show about religion as a means of control, that featured strong women throughout, was broadly about how colonialism is bad and the importance of respecting different cultures, that brute force was almost never the 'right answer' is anti-woke.

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you're living in a fantasy world besieged by an ideology that doesn't actually exist

Re: Amazon Has Axed Its New Stargate Series

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Post by rgblambda »

jhogendorn wrote: post #61
rgblambda wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As bummed as I am by this news, I kinda understand the logic. The fan base likely didn't make up the majority of viewing figures when SG-1 and it's spin-offs were on the air. Otherwise, it would have been revived much sooner after their big bet on direct to DVD movies didn't pan out.

As far as I understand it, the movies were actually very successful, but there was some kind of internal politicking or studio issue and they just didnt continue.

The co-creator of Stargate was interviewed about it and said:

>The only thing that is blocking the SG-1 movie or the Atlantis movie, the only thing, is the fact that the direct-to-DVD market has gone away

https://web.archive.org/web/20101001085140/https://tvdeathra...

Interestingly, he also talked about the need to appeal to an audience outside of the existing fan base, quite relevant to the current discussion:

>If you just try to hang on to the viewers you have and the numbers are going down, they’ll eventually go down to the point where the network and the studio will say, “OK, we’re done.” That’s what happens. That’s definitely what happens.

Re: Amazon Has Axed Its New Stargate Series

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Post by pointlessone »

Broad appeal? You can’t do anything good aiming for broad appeal. People like too different things, they all don’t mash together well. If you add to many tings that appeal to different people you end up with incoherent mess. Instead of appealing to everyone you end up pissing off everyone in many different ways.

Look at the Ring of Power. Did it have broad appeal? Maybe, first 2 episodes brought in 25 million viewers. The whole first season was watched by 150 millions, despite season completion being ~40%. For reference, X-Files pulled in more only in 1 of its 11 seasons with most under 20 mil, and Friends lowered in 20-25 mil with only one season being about 30 mil. So the numbers are impressive but do you know anyone who loves the Rings of Power? Anywhere near to how people love SG-1?

Re: Amazon Has Axed Its New Stargate Series

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Post by dyauspitr »

Sebguer wrote: post #10
OutOfHere wrote: post #6

If you haven't seen Stargate SG-1, it was one of the greatest shows. I would rather rewatch it than watch a bad remake. Stargate Atlantis was not half bad either. They will likely hire the cheapest script writer, who in turn will likely offload it to the cheapest LLM, resulting in derivative work that is not in any way creative or inspiring.

"modern wokeness", ah, yes. Because the show about religion as a means of control, that featured strong women throughout, was broadly about how colonialism is bad and the importance of respecting different cultures, that brute force was almost never the 'right answer' is anti-woke.

All the women roles were reasonable back then. Actual characters you could get behind. Now it’s going to be some nonsense like an all woman crew every one of them aping male behavior. It’s off putting and something most men would have a hard time watching.

Re: Amazon Has Axed Its New Stargate Series

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Post by igor47 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #55

They would probably ruin it anyway. The new commander would probably be a woman and be totally bland like the lord of the rings thing they did. I don’t know anyone that has watched that.

Multiple comments on this thread about how bad it would be if the main character was a woman. Why is that so bad?

Re: Amazon Has Axed Its New Stargate Series

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Post by dyauspitr »

igor47 wrote: post #66
dyauspitr wrote: post #55

They would probably ruin it anyway. The new commander would probably be a woman and be totally bland like the lord of the rings thing they did. I don’t know anyone that has watched that.

Multiple comments on this thread about how bad it would be if the main character was a woman. Why is that so bad?

Media isn’t made for men anymore. I don’t believe you can make media that appeals to both men and women at the same time. It creates bland, tasteless media with no gravitas because you have to appeal to the widest possible base so all edginess and grit that give the movie memorable moments are completely removed.

Re: Amazon Has Axed Its New Stargate Series

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Post by Kye »

dyauspitr wrote: post #68
igor47 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multiple comments on this thread about how bad it would be if the main character was a woman. Why is that so bad?

Media isn’t made for men anymore. I don’t believe you can make media that appeals to both men and women at the same time. It creates bland, tasteless media with no gravitas because you have to appeal to the widest possible base so all edginess and grit that give the movie memorable moments are completely removed.

That's such a bleak view of men. I think they're more open to variety in their media than you give them credit for.

Re: Amazon Has Axed Its New Stargate Series

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Post by dyauspitr »

Kye wrote: post #69
dyauspitr wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Media isn’t made for men anymore. I don’t believe you can make media that appeals to both men and women at the same time. It creates bland, tasteless media with no gravitas because you have to appeal to the widest possible base so all edginess and grit that give the movie memorable moments are completely removed.

That's such a bleak view of men. I think they're more open to variety in their media than you give them credit for.

I actually find that view of men inspiring. Depending on what “variety” you mean, an openness to that is depressing, infuriating even. It belies a rot, grinding down the best characteristics.
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