The benchmarks are a bit of a disaster? It's at about DeepSeek V3.2 level, but with about 50% more parameters. Loses handily to the also smaller GLM-5.1, and even worse to the similarly sized Kimi K2.6.
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I assume they took the actual repos’ licenses info account. I don’t understand why they should ask for permission when the license would already allow for it.
Which licenses allow usage for training? MIT, BSD, etc likely do. But I would expect it gets weird for all the various copyleft licences.
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Yes it is, but I can imagine that they want to start out a bit smaller to see how well things scale, and/or did not yet have the time to work on optimizing for the large context windows.
I struggle to get quality results from the frontier models at contexts > 256k anyway.
It’s almost always better to keep your context windows small.
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#64> Second, clean data. MAI-Thinking-1 was trained on clean and appropriately licensed data, with AI-generated content excluded from pre-training. This matters for quality, provenance, and control. If we cannot account for what shaped a model, we cannot fully understand its behavior or credibly improve it. Shots fired? It would be interesting to see how far "clean data" can go on the scaling laws.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which licenses allow usage for training? MIT, BSD, etc likely do. But I would expect it gets weird for all the various copyleft licences.
Why would it get weird for those?
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#66> Second, clean data. MAI-Thinking-1 was trained on clean and appropriately licensed data, with AI-generated content excluded from pre-training. This matters for quality, provenance, and control. If we cannot account for what shaped a model, we cannot fully understand its behavior or credibly improve it. Shots fired? It would be interesting to see how far "clean data" can go on the scaling laws.
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#67I like it so much when a website hijacks the way my scroll works. This is truly innovative.
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I would really like to see what "appropriately licensed data" means. Cannot imagine they didn't copy all open repo's on GitHub, and can't imagine they asked for permission, or are reproducing license texts from these repo's now. It sounds hand wavy. P.S. A fairly basic website otherwise, but it unfortunately seems to be hacking scroll for no good reason.
I assume they took the actual repos’ licenses info account. I don’t understand why they should ask for permission when the license would already allow for it.
For example, the Apache 2.0 license requires in just 4.c:
You must retain, in the Source form of any Derivative Works that You distribute, all copyright, patent, trademark, and attribution notices from the Source form of the Work, excluding those notices that do not pertain to any part of the Derivative Works;
Just because they're tokenized and transformed into a probabilistic mapping, doesn't suddenly mean that they weren't copied.I find it morally unethical that they (likely) just ingest IP of all open source repo's without asking, but also importantly without any attribution.
Let me also note that I'm not against LLM's in general. But I do think training on open source must be opt-in, and I look forward to a world with actually ethical, and traceable (i.e. on what they were trained on, like a bill of materials (BOM)), models.
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#69MAI-Code-1-Flash - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48374466 - June 2026 (131 comments)