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Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by squigz »

petcat wrote: post #59
mikeyouse wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Canada only has to patrol its northern border. At what point on this current trajectory in the US would that change... mostly facetiously, but not entirely..

Canada would only have to patrol its southern Alberta border /s No coincidence that Albertans are sparking up the seceding issue again. When 10% of the population produces nearly 20% of the country's GDP it's a breeding ground for contempt. And it also seems like Albertans are the butt of a lot of jokes from the other Canadians anyway. I'm sure this US government would love to see an "independent" Alberta.

> And it also seems like Albertans are the butt of a lot of jokes from the other Canadians anyway.

This is hardly my experience as a Canadian. They're not Newfoundlanders, for crying out loud...

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by 866-RON-0-FEZ »

danesparza wrote: post #55
866-RON-0-FEZ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We call this confirmation bias. The Saab is likely cheaper to operate as it's a smaller plane and Canada only has to patrol its northern border.

"We call this confirmation bias". I'm genuinely curious to know what you think the author's pre-existing beliefs are. You seem to have a few of your own: "Canada only has to patrol its northern border"

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

khriss wrote: post #30

I can understand why this change happened. Even if American equipment is superior, there is a lot of value to not depending on a supposed 'ally' which * Arbitrarily slapped high tariffs on all goods from Canada while exempting Russia and Belarus. * Threatened to take over the country by force. * Officially suspended the Permanent Joint Board on Defense between US and Canada because of criticism of US foreign policy b…

You missed the absolutely huge one: that the plane it's based around is a Bombardier aircraft manufactured here in Canada.

And in general this is how Saab has tried to court us -- by making promises (how real is unclear) to bring manufacturing jobs to Canada to build things.

That is something the US has not done, will not do, and most importantly cannot do under Trump/Bissent/etc.

Canada is very unlikely to be invaded, so the actual military effectiveness / superiority is only one factor. Reducing unemployment and enhancing our manufacturing sector is as or more important.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by nickff »

daneel_w wrote: post #52
khriss wrote: post #30

I can understand why this change happened. Even if American equipment is superior, there is a lot of value to not depending on a supposed 'ally' which * Arbitrarily slapped high tariffs on all goods from Canada while exempting Russia and Belarus. * Threatened to take over the country by force. * Officially suspended the Permanent Joint Board on Defense between US and Canada because of criticism of US foreign policy b…

> "Even if American equipment is superior ..." To address the article's context, is the E-3 Sentry superior to the Erieye/GlobalEye?

The comparable aircraft is the more modern E-7 Wedgetail, which has many features that are superior for Canada's use case (notably including range and NORAD integration). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-7_Wedgetail

Canada has unfortunately been in conflict with Boeing since before either of Trump's terms, originally triggered by Boeing's trade complaints regarding Bombardier's government subsidies.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by lysace »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #63
khriss wrote: post #30

I can understand why this change happened. Even if American equipment is superior, there is a lot of value to not depending on a supposed 'ally' which * Arbitrarily slapped high tariffs on all goods from Canada while exempting Russia and Belarus. * Threatened to take over the country by force. * Officially suspended the Permanent Joint Board on Defense between US and Canada because of criticism of US foreign policy b…

You missed the absolutely huge one: that the plane it's based around is a Bombardier aircraft manufactured here in Canada. And in general this is how Saab has tried to court us -- by making promises (how real is unclear) to bring manufacturing jobs to Canada to build things. That is something the US has not done, will not do, and most importantly cannot do under Trump/Bissent/etc. Canada is very unlikely to be invade…

> Canada is very unlikely to be invaded

Except from the south.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by rubayeet »

petcat wrote: post #59
mikeyouse wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Canada only has to patrol its northern border. At what point on this current trajectory in the US would that change... mostly facetiously, but not entirely..

Canada would only have to patrol its southern Alberta border /s No coincidence that Albertans are sparking up the seceding issue again. When 10% of the population produces nearly 20% of the country's GDP it's a breeding ground for contempt. And it also seems like Albertans are the butt of a lot of jokes from the other Canadians anyway. I'm sure this US government would love to see an "independent" Alberta.

This is false. Alberta is NOT the economic engine of Canada, that’s a huge misconception of a group of Canadians (mostly Albertans) [0]

[0] https://youtu.be/5lSJpqA8RU4?si=fxwKpUFFKO7gK63E

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by factotvm »

jsLavaGoat wrote: post #58
danesparza wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We call this confirmation bias". I'm genuinely curious to know what you think the author's pre-existing beliefs are. You seem to have a few of your own: "Canada only has to patrol its northern border"

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No, it’s a lost sale.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

lysace wrote: post #66
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You missed the absolutely huge one: that the plane it's based around is a Bombardier aircraft manufactured here in Canada. And in general this is how Saab has tried to court us -- by making promises (how real is unclear) to bring manufacturing jobs to Canada to build things. That is something the US has not done, will not do, and most importantly cannot do under Trump/Bissent/etc. Canada is very unlikely to be invade…

> Canada is very unlikely to be invaded Except from the south.

Or, as it turns out, from within. (Looking at you, Danielle Smith).

But yes you're right. The only times we've been invaded were from that direction.

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