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The real cost of owning a home

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Re: The real cost of owning a home

#61
people might scream about corporates owning housing - but one thing that's a blessing is if corporates sink their money into apartment blocks | buildings instead of single family homes.

you can rent for multiple years at a favorable rate - then save some money into the stock market.

however in america - people have been fed the propaganda you need to live in a single family home.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#62
Over short term windows it’s very possible for renting to make more sense. Over the long term it’s very difficult for renting to come out ahead. If you’re talking about the same town over say 20 years then the chances of renting coming out ahead is near zero.

In the US at least the tax system is also heavily setup to favor home ownership. Mortgage interest and real estate taxes (which are baked into rent) are tax deductible for the home owner and not for the renter. That’s another big difference that adds up over time.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#63
post #11

This is nonsense. The person counts the 12 month escrow prepayment during closing as "cost to get a loan" It's not. It's the cost of 12 months of taxes and insurance on your property. Also notable is the "1 year insurance premium" either they're double counting the escrow, or this 1 year insurance premium is mortgage insurance where the bank makes you take out insurance to protect them. This can be prepaid, split pai…

I agree, this is a pretty terrible article that basically boils down to (to quote the article...) > I bought this house new, and didn't live there very long End of story.

Exactly, the even say:

>I bought my home in Auburn, WA for $321k, and sold it a few years later for $333k. After all the costs to buy and sell it, I probably lost more money on it than I would have spent renting an apartment.

Home ownership isn't a net positive from day one. Otherwise, everyone would always do it. Home ownership is net positive in the long run. It's a long term position. You don't day trade houses.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you rent from an apartment complex (corporate owned), how big is the risk of being kicked out if you pay your rent?

the property can always be sold to a new owner that has a different use in mind. Another drawback, you're likely to have less negotiating power with a corporate-owned rental.

There's not much else a new owner is going to do with an apartment complex other than continue to rent out the units, other than possibly tear it down and rebuild if it's very old.

You lease remains in force even with a change in ownership. So in most cases there will be no immediate impact to tenants.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#65
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I was surprised not to see the opportunity cost angle in this article. For high income tech workers the opportunity cost can be huge

Depending on the job, you can also do it better yourself than what you can reasonably pay for. I built a custom shelf for my closet. It'd have costed me an arm and a leg to have someone else do that, even with a tech worker's salary. I also built a custom walk-in closet. It took me a day, saved me over 2k and I got a better quality closet out of it. (You find find built yourself a walk-in-closet kits that are easy to…

It definitely depends on the job. Enjoyment is certainly a factor too.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#66
It's interesting to put this article in the context of all the local-model vs. frontier-subscription inference discussions occurring recently.

How can anyone (financially) justify the cost of owning your own compute?

How can anyone (ideologically) justify the cost of not owning your own means of compute?

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#67
I'm firmly in the renting camp and I'll only own a home if I can buy some land and build it, probably. From a US perspective, I see too many people buy a house because that's what they're "supposed" to do since that's the American Dream. They end up with projects every weekend, stressing about repairs, and dealing with random BS from the local government and Karens.

I also despise the culture around owning a home and the insane things that we do to prop it up. Zoning restrictions, absurd mortgage terms (what other country does 30-year fixed rates?), overbearing building codes all so we can live up to this arbitrary life goal of Owning A Home.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#68
post #20

>You've probably heard someone say something to the effect of "renting is just throwing your money away". Don't believe it. It's a glib statement that simply isn't true. If you take literally anything away from this article, this opening line is it. People who say this bought their house decades ago and have no clue what the present situation is.

I don't know who is telling you this, but the people who gave me that line lived through several recessions including '08 and are still making money buying rental properties to this day. They know more about the present situation than you do.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#69
post #9

It is suggested to set aside 1%-3% of your home's overall value for repairs every year. Most people do not do this, and many homes thus slowly degrade in value. It is a fast track way to destroy potential generational wealth. Home repair issues also tend to be bursty (rule of three...). You'll have a few years of nothing that'll lull you into a false sense of security, then suddenly three major issues will come up. S…

Most home repairs give warning. My roof is old but it wasn't hard to inspect it and conclude it is good for another year. If I have to replace it soon insurance will cover it.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#70

On the other hand, renting comes with hidden (and some not so hidden) costs too. The main one for me is the inherent precariousness that comes with renting. You don’t know how much longer you’re going to be able to stay in your apartment, whether that be due to rent hikes or the landlord deciding that they want to give the apartment to their nephew or any number of other things. The constant low level stress of knowi…

> You don’t know how much longer you’re going to be able to stay in your apartment, whether that be due to rent hikes or the landlord deciding that they want to give the apartment to their nephew or any number of other things.

Absolutely. I had three landlords in a row promise all manner of things. "We're never coming back, moving to the country" (followed by "my wife hates it, we're moving back"). "We're looking to do other investments, we'd happily sign a 5 year lease with you if we could" (WA law limits residential lease lengths. Just as well for them because they decided "the property market is so hot it'd be irresponsible of us not to sell").

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