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DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by wolttam »

alyxya wrote: post #21
lambda wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you need them to provide a coding agent? Just use their model with any off the shelf coding agent. I happen to prefer Pi, but use whatever works for you.

I probably have an unfounded assumption that whatever coding agent they make will work really well with their models, better than external harnesses. I don't have a good sense for how all the model + harness combinations compare, nor any good way to compare them myself, but generally believe model companies train their models to work best with their own harness.

I've noticed that models have gotten less finicky with this over time. Harnesses don't need to be complex to get good coding performance from models, they just need to implement some sane primitives for code exploration and editing.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by wiradikusuma »

ammar_x wrote: post #27
alyxya wrote: post #11

Once they have their own coding agent which they seem to be working towards, I may start predominantly using their models. They seem to be doing all the "right" things, open sourcing models, publishing research, and keeping prices low for everyone.

You can use V4 Pro with Claude Code [1]. I tried it and it's impressive. [1]: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

That's interesting. I thought Claude Code is not as good, therefore people want to use Claude model with other alternatives. This is the other way around.

Which begs the question, regardless of the model, which Claude Code alternative is better? (I keep saying "Claude Code alternative" because I don't know the term... LLM CLI?)

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by missedthecue »

margorczynski wrote: post #20

Maybe the Chinese are playing the long game by trying to bankrupt the US competition? Because there's no way this is financially viable.

DeepSeek hasn't raised enough money to be actively selling tokens at a loss. They have a small team, extremely low overhead relative to other labs, operate in a place with the essentially the cheapest commercial electricity rates in the world, and their architecture lends itself very well to cheap inference.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by koolba »

wolttam wrote: post #58
Scarbutt wrote: post #39

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Surprised Anthropic hasn't done anything to restrict Claude Code from using other providers.

The value of Claude Code the harness isn't that great. There's a lot of other good harnesses out there.

Good or better? Curious which would be in either bucket.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by gertlabs »

Even with the V4 Pro discount, the V4 Flash model gives you the best performance per unit dollar, and better performance overall for agentic, tool-heavy workloads. V4 Pro is smarter in one-shot reasoning, but at a significant speed difference. The performance, cost, and speed, makes V4 Flash our top flash model today by far.

Data at https://gertlabs.com/rankings

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by wolttam »

koolba wrote: post #65
wolttam wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The value of Claude Code the harness isn't that great. There's a lot of other good harnesses out there.

Good or better? Curious which would be in either bucket.

Probably a matter of taste. I prefer the harness I wrote, I don't want to go near Anthropic's bloated mess of a harness with a 10-meter pole.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by wrs »

wiradikusuma wrote: post #63
ammar_x wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use V4 Pro with Claude Code [1]. I tried it and it's impressive. [1]: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

That's interesting. I thought Claude Code is not as good, therefore people want to use Claude model with other alternatives. This is the other way around. Which begs the question, regardless of the model, which Claude Code alternative is better? (I keep saying "Claude Code alternative" because I don't know the term... LLM CLI?)

The common term for a tool that wraps an LLM with a workflow is “harness”.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by eiek »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #55

I just canceled Claude Code and Codex today. RIP. Claude literally refuses to finish tasks in auto mode and just keeps saying, now is a good stopping point, when it's 1% done (and doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I tell it). Codex is barely better... May as well pay 1/20th the price for DeepSeek. Claude seems to have something that looks at how long you've been a customer and then just massively degrades quality. Whe…

They’re playing games behind the scenes to massage and manage their earnings.

China is gonna win long term there’s no doubt. The fact that the American firms haven’t created immense escape velocity despite the disparity in spending is quite telling.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by BeetleB »

bel8 wrote: post #9
belinder wrote: post #7

Anyone using deepseek through a gateway (not sure if right term) so there's no data retention? At work we're going through a few hundred million tokens a day in our app (using anthropic models), and we're looking for something significantly cheaper

opencode allegedly has contractual no-data-retention policies with their providers. I recall reading about that in an issue or in their Discord server. But I would contact them formally to verify that.

They claim it on their OpenCode Zen page.

What's frustrating is that they give no information on who the provider(s) are!

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