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Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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That won't work, a camera can also photograph another screen or a fake printed photo. And also cryptographic modules can be cracked.

I would have thought most iPhones absolutely know if they're photographing a scene or a flat surface

Yes, iPhone has some clever depth technologies, but that doesn't mean it can't be tampered with.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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These are teenage girls, not adult men. This isn’t graffiti, but highly realistic sexual depictions. There’s a massive difference.

Nevertheless there is almost a moral equivocation between images of sex and actual sex by some people. We are talking about restraining someone physically inside a 2 by 3 meter box for multiple years as a retribution for what is after all just pixels on a screen. (And by the way the implicit comparison here between an image of stalin and an image of a teenage girl is more apt than most would care to admit given the i…

“Just pixels on a screen”

What is wrong with you?

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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post #42

I don't know how society will function when it's as easy to fake a video or image as it is to draw a stick figure. Hopefully it at least means that people view what happened here as akin to scribbling boobs on someone's photo, but we're not there yet apparently.

We need a way to prove what's real.

Just put your phone down.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Didn't get past the paywall but, recently a friend had their primary school targeted by blackmailers who took public photos of children and made (I'm told) extremely explicit images with them, threatening to release them if not paid. What's the defense? Intelligent screening of incoming messages so that the threat never reaches the blackmail target? I imagine they'll find an unprotected channel. Don't post innocuous…

> What's the defense? Intelligent screening of incoming messages so that the threat never reaches the blackmail target? I imagine they'll find an unprotected channel. Same defenses that are used against fraud and other crime. criminal prosecution of the blackmailers AND the services used to generate the pictures. This is effectively child porn... so penalties would be pretty harsh. There are extradition treaties to m…

I just looked it up and according to Wikipedia distributing child porn is a crime in both, possession is a crime in China. Blackmail is a crime in both too. So even if they do not extradite the blackmailers they are likely to face jail under the their own laws.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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post #21

This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

I do agree that shit behavour should be met with direct reaction but lets be honest here the time and effort of doing this is 5 minutes. A proper society should educate people about things they can't get rid of anymore. And no you can't just put teenager, which have not fully formed brains yet, into prison for fake nudity

> the time and effort of doing this is 5 minutes.

Yet the consequences for the victims may last a lifetime and be both intrinsic and extrinsic. Sexually forcing themselves on a drunk colleague at a party or taking their dad’s gun and shooting up their classmates also only takes a few minutes, but can scar a community for years.

I’m not going to opine on what the punishment should be, though it seems clear there should be one and more than a slap on the wrist. The community where this took place (i.e. those who are living through it) should probably have a say in it. There should also probably be an investigation of how this came to pass, i.e. has this kid always been an asshole with a pattern of behaviour or have they recently been indoctrinated by manosphere bullshit and should get counselling to understand their actions and that women are people too and deserving of respect?

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Suddenly a polaroid feels better than any digital photo.

I've been leaning to more analog (and "old") stuff these days. Not sure if it's because I'm tired of all the crap online, or its a coincidence of getting older and missing the old times. Maybe a bit of both. But I really enjoy sitting in my living room and do nothing except listen to my record and cd player.

I feel a little like a rebel every time I pay with cash.

Funny that cd's are comparatively analog. (I get your meaning though).

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Suddenly a polaroid feels better than any digital photo.

Except you can actually “scan” a digital photo with a Polaroid quite effectively and it will look pretty much identical to a real Polaroid, so even that is security theatre.

true! I'm talking about watching someone click the shutter and hand me the actual photo. Though who knows what could happen with in-camera processing or a cloud-connected camera.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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post #50

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Perhaps there is reason to be optimistic. If we believe nothing online, then digital inauthenticity may cause us to yearn more for authentic, in-person interactions. The modern web has not been without its warts. It's led society to some very unhealthy behaviors. It's telling that a lot of people think the internet is society, rather than a slice of it. Perhaps its decline is the correction society needed. It's easy…

A major problem with a culture of distrust is that bad actors doing bad things get impunity by telling everyone that what they did was fake. It’s already been tried, when deepfakes weren’t even that good. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/27/elon-musk...

Certainly. Funny that we start getting photos from the Epstein files as soon as it's easy to make fakes.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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I've been leaning to more analog (and "old") stuff these days. Not sure if it's because I'm tired of all the crap online, or its a coincidence of getting older and missing the old times. Maybe a bit of both. But I really enjoy sitting in my living room and do nothing except listen to my record and cd player.

I feel a little like a rebel every time I pay with cash. Funny that cd's are comparatively analog. (I get your meaning though).

Yeah, that's true, they are digital, but still feel "old". I was quite amazed while playing a vinyl record, accidentally lowered the volume down to 0, and could still literally hear a bit of sound coming out, not from the speakers, from the needle touching the record. Then I remembered that it's the actual sound waves that are engraved in the record. Amazing stuff
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