Or maybe, just maybe these news sites shouldn't be shipping 40MB JS bloated, ad infected websites. You're a news station just ship the words, make people pay for the images. This keeps bandwidth down for non payers, and foots the bill for those who do use the bandwidth. You pay for what you use, and reduce the overhead while you're at it.
News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism
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Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism
#62Or maybe, just maybe these news sites shouldn't be shipping 40MB JS bloated, ad infected websites. You're a news station just ship the words, make people pay for the images. This keeps bandwidth down for non payers, and foots the bill for those who do use the bandwidth. You pay for what you use, and reduce the overhead while you're at it.
Bandwidth is not their concerns.
Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism
#63Or maybe, just maybe these news sites shouldn't be shipping 40MB JS bloated, ad infected websites. You're a news station just ship the words, make people pay for the images. This keeps bandwidth down for non payers, and foots the bill for those who do use the bandwidth. You pay for what you use, and reduce the overhead while you're at it.
1. Is the idea that the primary costs for such news sources are hosting costs?
2. And that if news sites offered the text for free but paywalled images they'd be more sustainable than they are now?
Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism
#64There really should be a micropayments setup on the internet that's not advertising based. Let these models pay a nickel to read the article, covered by the multi trillion dollar AI blank check.
The biggest problem with micropayments is that the buyer needs to be anonymous or you'll be creating a massive surveillance apparatus, which is the thing we're trying to get rid of. But existing laws make it difficult to build something like that which is easy for normies to use, so someone either needs to come up with a creative solution or reform the laws.
Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism
#65Of course they are, because they are not primarily concerned with the reporting of noteworthy events. They are most worried about profit with the secondary goal of reporting but only insofar as it serves the first goal. This is a wider trend across many industries. Obviously, a business needs to have an income but it's becoming more common for businesses to function first and foremast as revenue generators and the th…
Among the countless local and global newspapers etc, either present or recent decades, are there any that you believe were or are primarily concerned with reporting noteworthy news?
Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism
#66There really should be a micropayments setup on the internet that's not advertising based. Let these models pay a nickel to read the article, covered by the multi trillion dollar AI blank check.
Cloudflare is trying to push for that, but every time it's mentioned people complain (because they hate Cloudflare for making them wait 2s for a captcha) and nobody proposes an alternative solution. I don't think this is going to happen, unfortunately, and the internet will get silo-ed into oblivion.
> because they hate Cloudflare for making them wait 2s for a captcha
Why does it work like that anyway? Every time I open a page on some sites, their vexing box shows up to waste my time. Five minutes later I want a different page on the same site and it does the same thing. They can't do it once and cache the result?
Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism
#67They should allow access after the news becomes old. That's what the archive is intended for.
Newspapers think their archives are worth money, and that people who are interested in genealogy will pay for newspapers.com subscriptions.
Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism
#68There's an incredibly simple fix: block the archive for a week. No one is paying after a week, so you let the Archive access after that. I don't see why every news outlet doesn't just do this.
Greed and spite.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's definitely a copyright nightmare - so no clue how this could work. It could work as a decentralized free and open source system that doesn't care about copyright. Like how torrents work now, but it would be good to have it work over Tor or something. Perhaps as a DAO for the management aspect of it. I don't know how exactly. But disregarding copyright by using a centralized company is the wrong idea. Or you ca…
Tor is a honeypot run my government intel operations. Don't use it.
Not all exit nodes are run by the Government.
Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism
#70The oldest news station in my city has partnered with a local college to house their archives going all the way back to when their content was gathered on black&white film. IIRC, using the footage is free (with proper attribution), but you have to pay for the media you choose to receive. The last time I looked, this was pre-digital play out systems, so we're talking video tape costs plus a fee to cover equipment/VTR…
On AWS, S3 has a downloader-pay option since basically forever. Maybe a non-technical user would be baffled by this, but a HN user won’t have trouble paying for the download using their existing AWS account. This would be a fine solution if the cost of distribution is the only concern, without considering royalty for copyright.