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Re: Magic the Gathering format: Fun 40

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Post by CuriouslyC »

KolmogorovComp wrote: post #14
zeafoamrun wrote: post #7

What I've done a couple times but it is kind of a pain because it messes up the sorting of my collection is to make "packs" out of my collection and draft with friends. It's a lot easier to just buy a booster box and draft from that. But at least with old cards you don't have to contend with Sephiroth, the Ninja Turtles, and My Little Pony.

> But at least with old cards you don't have to contend with Sephiroth, the Ninja Turtles, and My Little Pony. I thought you were joking, unfortunately you weren't. Money really has no taste.

I groaned through the LoTR set (some of the cards were really cool), but I noped TF out at Final Fantasy with Spiderman on the horizon, and I'm 100% never going back. I've been playing on and off since 1993, so they're absolutely burning their brand.

Re: Magic the Gathering format: Fun 40

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Post by butlike »

lukifer wrote: post #46
snikeris wrote: post #30

This is my favorite alternative form of Magic: https://articles.starcitygames.com/articles/the-danger-room/ "I have a feeling that roughly 25% of games are decided by a player drawing too few lands, 25% of games are decided by a player drawing too many lands, 25% of games are decided by a player having a legitimate bomb not get answered immediately, and the last 25% of games are the ones that everybody hopes for wher…

My biggest beef with Magic isn't the lands system, but that the game is fundamentally stingy with cards, leading to many non-games, and/or turns where you pray for the right top-deck and don't get it. (This is one major reason I play Netrunner instead, where your action economy can be spent on draw. You might have weak turns, but never non-turns.) Given the huge cardpool, there's no real way to "fix" MtG that couldn'…

The "land for turn" concept is genius. I'd say only once though. If you draw another land, that's the nuts.

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Post by dfxm12 »

lukifer wrote: post #46
snikeris wrote: post #30

This is my favorite alternative form of Magic: https://articles.starcitygames.com/articles/the-danger-room/ "I have a feeling that roughly 25% of games are decided by a player drawing too few lands, 25% of games are decided by a player drawing too many lands, 25% of games are decided by a player having a legitimate bomb not get answered immediately, and the last 25% of games are the ones that everybody hopes for wher…

My biggest beef with Magic isn't the lands system, but that the game is fundamentally stingy with cards, leading to many non-games, and/or turns where you pray for the right top-deck and don't get it. (This is one major reason I play Netrunner instead, where your action economy can be spent on draw. You might have weak turns, but never non-turns.) Given the huge cardpool, there's no real way to "fix" MtG that couldn'…

Magic isn't really stingy with card draw, if I understand what you're saying. It might be a drawback in a specific strategy, but that's how the game balances itself. If weenie or burn decks had card draw (or selection) on par with control decks, they would be too good...

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Post by vikingerik »

lukifer wrote: post #46
snikeris wrote: post #30

This is my favorite alternative form of Magic: https://articles.starcitygames.com/articles/the-danger-room/ "I have a feeling that roughly 25% of games are decided by a player drawing too few lands, 25% of games are decided by a player drawing too many lands, 25% of games are decided by a player having a legitimate bomb not get answered immediately, and the last 25% of games are the ones that everybody hopes for wher…

My biggest beef with Magic isn't the lands system, but that the game is fundamentally stingy with cards, leading to many non-games, and/or turns where you pray for the right top-deck and don't get it. (This is one major reason I play Netrunner instead, where your action economy can be spent on draw. You might have weak turns, but never non-turns.) Given the huge cardpool, there's no real way to "fix" MtG that couldn'…

Love that "land for turn", although I think it might shift the balance a little too much, in that you can make a deck with too much land and high cost spells and know you can cast them reliably. There needs to be a risk factor in building up to high mana to make low mana spells matter.

Possible tweaks, maybe it has a cost (all lands have cycling 1 or 2 mana or life.) Or delay that draw until end of turn, which feels like about the right power level, but does have memory and execution issues.

Re: Magic the Gathering format: Fun 40

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Post by moate »

butlike wrote: post #62
lukifer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest beef with Magic isn't the lands system, but that the game is fundamentally stingy with cards, leading to many non-games, and/or turns where you pray for the right top-deck and don't get it. (This is one major reason I play Netrunner instead, where your action economy can be spent on draw. You might have weak turns, but never non-turns.) Given the huge cardpool, there's no real way to "fix" MtG that couldn'…

The "land for turn" concept is genius. I'd say only once though. If you draw another land, that's the nuts.

Well that's your "land for turn" not "replace playing a land". You can only play one land each turn, if other cards let you play extra lands...you can play extra lands!

Re: Magic the Gathering format: Fun 40

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Post by drblast »

snikeris wrote: post #30

This is my favorite alternative form of Magic: https://articles.starcitygames.com/articles/the-danger-room/ "I have a feeling that roughly 25% of games are decided by a player drawing too few lands, 25% of games are decided by a player drawing too many lands, 25% of games are decided by a player having a legitimate bomb not get answered immediately, and the last 25% of games are the ones that everybody hopes for wher…

I haven't tried this because I haven't played Magic in over 20 years, but I always thought it would be more fun if you had two draw decks where the second was only allowed to include basic lands.

Then in the draw phase you could choose which deck to draw from, eliminating the mana flood/drought possibility that ruins games.

Maybe some additional rules to limit how many lands you're allowed to draw in the initial draw to one or two, I dunno.

Re: Magic the Gathering format: Fun 40

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Post by dfxm12 »

AemusK wrote: post #54
adahn6 wrote: post #42

i wish this gave more details about the format! would love to know what the overall card pool ended up being, and which decks performed best. small plug but i run a format of magic of my own, a (non-Commander) multiplayer format that lets players play three games with side boarding. i think it's pretty cool, if anyone here wants to check it out! it's called Coalition, and we have rules and decks at https://mtgcoaliti…

I like the format, very cool idea. However, this rule: First player draw The first player does draw a card. Not sure if its a good idea? Gives first player a HUGE advantage.

In a one on one (or two on two) game, yes, it would be a big advantage. Not in a multiplayer game, though.

Re: Magic the Gathering format: Fun 40

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Post by Our_Benefactors »

drblast wrote: post #66
snikeris wrote: post #30

This is my favorite alternative form of Magic: https://articles.starcitygames.com/articles/the-danger-room/ "I have a feeling that roughly 25% of games are decided by a player drawing too few lands, 25% of games are decided by a player drawing too many lands, 25% of games are decided by a player having a legitimate bomb not get answered immediately, and the last 25% of games are the ones that everybody hopes for wher…

I haven't tried this because I haven't played Magic in over 20 years, but I always thought it would be more fun if you had two draw decks where the second was only allowed to include basic lands. Then in the draw phase you could choose which deck to draw from, eliminating the mana flood/drought possibility that ruins games. Maybe some additional rules to limit how many lands you're allowed to draw in the initial draw…

This is similar to how VS system worked, it was a short lived superhero CCG in the mid 2000s, you could play up to one card per turn facedown as a “land”, but you still drew from one deck.

Re: Magic the Gathering format: Fun 40

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Post by vtbassmatt »

the_af wrote: post #52
lukifer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest beef with Magic isn't the lands system, but that the game is fundamentally stingy with cards, leading to many non-games, and/or turns where you pray for the right top-deck and don't get it. (This is one major reason I play Netrunner instead, where your action economy can be spent on draw. You might have weak turns, but never non-turns.) Given the huge cardpool, there's no real way to "fix" MtG that couldn'…

> (This is one major reason I play Netrunner instead, where your action economy can be spent on draw. You might have weak turns, but never non-turns.) Is Netrunner something you can get into these days, or is it hopelessly OOP? I remember hearing good things about it.

There’s a community keeping it alive with fresh content: https://nullsignal.games/

I sadly haven’t convinced my MtG playgroup (or family or other friends) to try it with me.

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