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Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by gruez »

dylan604 wrote: post #31
smallerize wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No? AI companies have been hit with court cases for that. Google, xAI, Open AI, and Meta at least.

So anyone with deep enough pockets can do it. However, just because you receive a fine does not mean that you "can't" do it. You've already done it, got caught, now a fine. It does not mean that the LLM model has to be tossed out and destroyed with a new version trained up without that data. It just means can't is a very stupid word to imply here.

>You've already done it, got caught, now a fine. It does not mean that the LLM model has to be tossed out and destroyed with a new version trained up without that data. It just means can't is a very stupid word to imply here.

Yes, because most courts have ruled that training is legal as long as the source material was acquired legally. The AI companies were made to pay for the wrongs they did when acquiring the books, but it makes little sense to destroy all works that were built off the infringement, when they would be in the clear if they paid $15 (or whatever) for each book. It'd be like you torrenting college textbooks and getting caught, and then the book publisher demanding that you start over your college degree from scratch.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by trollbridge »

petcat wrote: post #23
ramon156 wrote: post #13

Next week American ISP's will block Annas-archive, people use VPN's, they get confused. The cycle goes on

It's only the domains that have been seized. US ISPs don't block websites in the same way they do in EU or China.

Verizon does block catbox.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by technothrasher »

boxed wrote: post #60
dewey wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is nothing new. Remember when the US pressured Sweden into taking down the pirate bay (Very unsuccessfully)? Using global influence to get countries to do something that they would not do on their own has always been the case.

Pretty successfully I would say. Armed police raided the server hosting provider scaring the shit out of some dudes who were just monitoring the power basically. And people went to prison.

And yet the pirate bay has stayed up and easy accessible to this day.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by wongarsu »

thelastgallon wrote: post #30
laichzeit0 wrote: post #4

So what stops them from just changing it to NotAnna's Archive and operating under that domain?

Trumps archive?

Call it the "Trump is Great Archive" and hope nobody wants to upset Emperor Trump by filing a motion to take down the Trump is Great Archive /s

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by crtasm »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #54
Aurornis wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI companies were cited as a reason in the case: > The publishers argued that, in addition to sharing pirated books with the public, the shadow library is serving as a primary training data hub for AI companies like Meta and NVIDIA.

I assume that the repository of books was used as training data, but not by way of the annas-archive domain. Instead, it would make a lot more sense for them to download the whole pile via bittorrent, which has nothing at all to do with the domain. In other words, the legal solution here wouldn't have prevented the problem.

> We’re able to provide high-speed access to our full collections, as well as to unreleased collections.

>This is enterprise-level access that we can provide for donations in the range of tens of thousands USD. We’re also willing to trade this for high-quality collections that we don’t have yet.

https://annas-archive.gl/llm

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by beej71 »

gothicbluebird wrote: post #26

Anna's archive is a professional nonprofit business with donation tiers for terabyte bundles of stuff for greedy hoarders and llm trainers. Their style suggests they have other goals than freedom of information and reminds of the super rich wikimedia foundation always campaigning for more money.

Their style? What do you mean?

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by rendx »

The moment I saw their Spotify announcement I expected it to go bad. And they didn't even release anything from it other than metadata!

(I understand this case is about their books, but I feel it got a lot more heat due to the Spotify action.)

Please, dear Anna, don't disappear on us. We need you for the books! Plenty of sources for music around.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by rendx »

malfist wrote: post #3

Since when does a judge in NY get to tell Greenland they can't have their registrar sell to Anna's Archive?

There's US exceptionalism, but, like in this case, there are also simple MLATs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_legal_assistance_treaty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by petcat »

trollbridge wrote: post #62
petcat wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only the domains that have been seized. US ISPs don't block websites in the same way they do in EU or China.

Verizon does block catbox.

That's just because it's a frequent malware host. You can disable that in your settings or use a different DNS server.
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