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Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by holoduke »

maelito wrote: post #14
aborsy wrote: post #11

It’s interesting that a French company can compete at international level to some extent, given the regulations, labor laws and generally the business unfriendly environment. I suspect they capitalize on the preference of European governments to use EU products, but might be wrong.

This comment is ridiculous. France's economy is bigger than 90 % of "unregulated" countries. European regulations help protect from USA's tech monopolies. French labor laws and social security and state-funded scientific schools helped build one of the most competent international AI scientist generation. All of europe got crushed by the US on the domain of internet. "Regulated" or not.

You would be surprised that many regulations are lobbied by American companies to secure their dominance. From gambling to advertising. European regulations are not to help citizens. But to help big institutions.

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Post by mejutoco »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #57

Europe won't be a leader in AI unless they get huge capital investment and datacenter build up. Sadly the regulatory environment of Europe combined with brain drain to America means it won't happen

Europe is slowly moving to put part of pensions in the stock market (like USA does). Right now people put it in sp500 so that sweet pension money in eu markets might be interesting to see.

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by dainank »

kergonath wrote: post #20
MeteorMarc wrote: post #2

Nice, also note that ASML is a big investor in Mistral AI, which made the industrial AI ambitions already more credible. https://www.asml.com/en/news/press-releases/2025/asml-mistra...

ASML is the flashy, public-facing partner. Mistral is also working with the French government and defense industry for applications that are unlikely to be publicly announced, but are bound to bring in much more money.

Mistral AI and the Luxembourgish government also have a strategic partnership: https://gouvernement.lu/en/gouvernement/stephanie-obertin/ac...

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by retinaros »

vrganj wrote: post #24
retinaros wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxation, admin hell, government involvement led by highly uncompetent unelected people that got to make decision on the sovereignty and future of Companies. The only chance for mistral is to escape the grasp of france and its low iq visionless political “elites” or else theyll endup like dailymotion. Building a company in france and europe is hell even mistral ceo said this a few days ago in front of french official…

As somebody who's built a company in Europe, I don't know what you're talking about. I suspect you don't, either.

https://youtu.be/I20fcnkzj5A?is=uZAXyTjTioNdUhNV

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by joelthelion »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #57

Europe won't be a leader in AI unless they get huge capital investment and datacenter build up. Sadly the regulatory environment of Europe combined with brain drain to America means it won't happen

I see it the other way around. In a few years, algorithmic and hardware improvements will likely make these huge datacenters mostly obsolete.

Americans will get to enjoy their rusty infrastructure and polluted air, and Europe will have lean and clean infra to support just what's needed.

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Post by barrenko »

dainank wrote: post #63
kergonath wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ASML is the flashy, public-facing partner. Mistral is also working with the French government and defense industry for applications that are unlikely to be publicly announced, but are bound to bring in much more money.

Mistral AI and the Luxembourgish government also have a strategic partnership: https://gouvernement.lu/en/gouvernement/stephanie-obertin/ac...

I believe Mistral has a deal with the EU directly also.

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by Propelloni »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #57

Europe won't be a leader in AI unless they get huge capital investment and datacenter build up. Sadly the regulatory environment of Europe combined with brain drain to America means it won't happen

Since 2024 the USA is draining brains into Europe in science in general but esp. in climate research, health research, and "tech" research. I can't find good numbers on IT specifically (except that the UK seems to be draining towards EU).

Commercialisation of research is still hard in comparison to the USA, though.

Re: Mistral AI acquires Emmi AI

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Post by tugdual »

reenorap wrote: post #30

Is Mistral still competitive? I completely forgot they existed because of how much press the Big 3 get (Google, Anthropic and OpenAI).

They’re not competing in the same domain - if you look at their business model it actually is much closer to ML consulting for companies (CMA CGM, ASML, Airbus…). The big three are trying to capture B2C mainly while Mistral is full focused B2B

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Post by menaerus »

holoduke wrote: post #60
reenorap wrote: post #30

Is Mistral still competitive? I completely forgot they existed because of how much press the Big 3 get (Google, Anthropic and OpenAI).

The are in Europe and in France. The worst possible situation to be successful as a startup. I mean the extreme hiarchy, lack of salaries and taxation is not really gonna help.

And they obviously don't hire the right people. Reasons can be many-fold. One possible explanation is that there's not many talent left on the market, and most have been already picked up by other AI labs paying more $$$ while offering more exciting work and more exciting trajectory at the same time. Another possible explanation is that there is enough talent on the market left but their recruitment process doesn't allow them to recognize those people, hence it is broken. When I look into their job postings, I tend to give higher chances for the latter.
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