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Haiku OS runs on M1 Macs now

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Re: Haiku OS runs on M1 Macs now

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Post by antics9 »

This weekend I installed Haiku on my old Thinkpad X40. It’s fast and surprisingly stable. Emacs, VLC works like a charm. Computer to slow for web browsing. The BeProductive office suite is a masterpiece of application at a 9MB download; although not open source.

Then I installed Haiku on my XPS13 under KVM/Qemu. Everything runs blazingly fast. I’m thinking of maybe using that install for organizing my photos. The metadata functionality built into the BeFS is great for that.

I must say that I am really impressed.

Re: Haiku OS runs on M1 Macs now

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Post by solumunus »

bigyabai wrote: post #58
cute_boi wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sure government can regulate such things like they can force Apple to open up their walled garden.

Which governments, though? The US loves these "NOBUS" companies, enforcing Google and Apple's walled garden is part of their agenda. The hardline opposition like China, Russia and North Korea all have contingency ecosystems they'd rather promote than force Apple to comply with an arbitrary featureset. The EU, for all the good it has done, will have to contend with the US refusing to extend FVEY intelligence to states…

The four eyes are most likely already excluding the US at this point.

Re: Haiku OS runs on M1 Macs now

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Post by solumunus »

bigyabai wrote: post #58
cute_boi wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sure government can regulate such things like they can force Apple to open up their walled garden.

Which governments, though? The US loves these "NOBUS" companies, enforcing Google and Apple's walled garden is part of their agenda. The hardline opposition like China, Russia and North Korea all have contingency ecosystems they'd rather promote than force Apple to comply with an arbitrary featureset. The EU, for all the good it has done, will have to contend with the US refusing to extend FVEY intelligence to states…

The four other eyes are most likely already excluding the US at this point given that sharing intelligence with the US almost certainly means sharing it with your enemies.

Re: Haiku OS runs on M1 Macs now

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Post by OhMeadhbh »

Was just explaining to my offspring about how Apple was looking to buy Be Inc. back before Jobs returned and they allowed themselves to be bought by NeXT. Sort of a fun complete-circle: Be ports BeOS to PowerMacs, Apple passes on buying Be, Be Inc. fades into the distance, HaikuOS kicks off, 20+ years later they port HaikuOS to Apple hardware.

Honestly... my problem with Apple laptops isn't the hardware, it's the crappy version of XNU/Darwin/NextStep that comes with them. I would buy a Mac if it came with HaikuOS and supported all the peripherals. But what is the chance of that?

FWIW... I still have a powermac with "real" BeOS on it. Haven't booted it in several years. I did look at HaikuOS running on an X86-64 VM and for the tasks I gave it (compile a few package, run emacs, serve a web page or two) it worked like a champ. I think the developer docs could use some help, but maybe I should volunteer to help them out.

Re: Haiku OS runs on M1 Macs now

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Post by freedomben »

easeout wrote: post #59
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #14

How usable is Haiku OS in practice?

It's a delight to use, if a little esoteric at first. After the experiment phase, the software ecosystem comes up fairly limited. But I recommend visiting. Here are some more impressions: https://kconner.com/2025/03/09/haiku-os-study-path.html

What kind of hardware do you run it on? Has driver support been an issue?

Re: Haiku OS runs on M1 Macs now

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Post by OhMeadhbh »

easeout wrote: post #59
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #14

How usable is Haiku OS in practice?

It's a delight to use, if a little esoteric at first. After the experiment phase, the software ecosystem comes up fairly limited. But I recommend visiting. Here are some more impressions: https://kconner.com/2025/03/09/haiku-os-study-path.html

+1

The window manager might look a little old-fashioned, but it seems solid as a dev workstation.

Re: Haiku OS runs on M1 Macs now

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Post by bigyabai »

solumunus wrote: post #63
bigyabai wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which governments, though? The US loves these "NOBUS" companies, enforcing Google and Apple's walled garden is part of their agenda. The hardline opposition like China, Russia and North Korea all have contingency ecosystems they'd rather promote than force Apple to comply with an arbitrary featureset. The EU, for all the good it has done, will have to contend with the US refusing to extend FVEY intelligence to states…

The four other eyes are most likely already excluding the US at this point given that sharing intelligence with the US almost certainly means sharing it with your enemies.

I doubt that. Most of those governments still rely on US-made software and US-designed hardware, so the NSA's Sword of Damocles is always dangling over their head whether or not their cooperate. The Canadian Sikh murders seem to indicate a level of US-Canada intelligence cooperation that still operates well.

My original statement should have read Nine Eyes or Fourteen Eyes, but the point stands. The US can play hardball behind closed doors and make these nations regret regulation even if it's a good policy.

Re: Haiku OS runs on M1 Macs now

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Post by OhMeadhbh »

shevy-java wrote: post #5

Yet I still can not use ruby on it ... Sorry guys - Haiku is a great idea, but it needs to become a real operating system semi-advanced users can use daily. And it hasn't been at that since years. Linux works.

It's completely okay for people who are not you to have requirements and preferences that are not yours. If you don't like HaikuOS, don't use it.

Re: Haiku OS runs on M1 Macs now

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Post by mghackerlady »

asdff wrote: post #50
guyzero wrote: post #26

Sad that we'll probably never be able to run this on M1/M-series iPads.

So sad to me how combative Apple has been towards open source software over the years. The peak of the jailbreak era was imo peak mobile development too. So much innovation and rapid iteration. Anything seemed possible and anything really was possible if you put your mind to it and built the thing. Pretty much any good idea apple integrated into ios has been shamelessly copied without attribute from that crucible of…

It sucks because for a while, at least in the second jobs era, they seemed to at least hesitantly support foss. They collaborated with KDE, released darwin as free software, and contributed to GCC and then very heavily to LLVM. MacOS, for a while, used an open source init system (systemstarter for a while, then launchd)
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