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Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by georgeecollins »

joe_mamba wrote: post #28
gpt5 wrote: post #19

While folks here are quick to jump to blaming the US for this, it's also worth noting that the US is the one that has been enforcing international order so far. So it gives us a bit of a glimpse of what would the world would look like with a more isolationist US, or a multipolar world.

>the US is the one that has been enforcing international order so far. I'd be with you here if the US CIA wasn't the one who overthrown the democratically elected Mosaddegh and replaced him with their puppet Shah, triggering the Islamic revolution. But I'll give you a pass since I heard they don't teach this part in american public school history curriculum.

The US has never been able to change a regime without a lot of help from insiders. I have read this history and it is a lot more complicated then "the US waived its magic wand." If the US could change regimes that easily don't you think we would have done it in Cuba, or contemporary Iran?

It's just as ignorant to cherry pick one event in the history of Iran as the source of all it's problems as it is to say Americans don't know their own history. It's not that simple.

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by Supermancho »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #51
crikeykangaroo wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, the USA is the one who creates havoc and started this mess in the first place. What international order?!

Iran is the one blocking the strait, not the US.

The chain of events did not start there. 20 years ago it was not blocked, although it well could have been. ie A car hits a pedestrian. Claiming the pedestrian did damage to the car's fender misses the context of the conflict.

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by trhway »

properbrew wrote: post #36

And what's to stop them increasing the fees at any time for "protection"?

they can increase the fees until building infrastructure outside of their water/air/land becomes more economical, which means a long way to go. We will probably have a treaty at the end covering that strait too. And looks like it will have some fees in it. Until of course somebody delivers a crushing military defeat of Iran. And while technically i think US is capable of doing it, I wouldn't bet though that this pair of a pompous self-dealer and an incompetent alcoholic would be able to do it.

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Post by forinti »

Mesopropithecus wrote: post #57
Snow_Falls wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please, lets end this lie about the "international order". It's always been a lawless world where rich and powerful nations did whatever they wanted. Now they've just stopped bothering to hide it.

True. I just happen to prefer the US to set the rules over an illegitimate, theocratic, and terrorist regime.

There are no rules. There's just what's convenient for some US corporations.

The US has been forcing on Latin America whatever some US corporation wants for more than a century. We've had coups over bananas!

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by dylan604 »

lonely_wanderer wrote: post #6
jLaForest wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose of this war is to distract from the Epstein files, and it's been very successful

I don’t think this argument really makes sense tbh. When you own the justice department and congress, what matter does it make? Epstein stuff was going to to stale regardless, as much as I hate that fact.

Agreed. I think the Epstein angle was just a bonus to a decision made by an incompetent commander-in-chief of the military. It being the sole reason seems farcical even for this administration.

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by eckelhesten »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #56

What makes Iran believe unilateral fees on subsea internet cables would be paid? If they start paying in this case, the rest of the world is going to start demanding unilateral fees from the operators. If operators are going to pay up anyhow, they might prefer chipping in for NATO support than publically rewarding such behavior... "chipping in" could range from symbolic to substantial, as the alternative would be fac…

What do you think daddy NATO would do about your little network cable? You are living in a fictional world.

They’d simply tell whoever’s crying to start using dynamic routing protocols and accept the few more ms in latency.

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by krunck »

everdrive wrote: post #59
DoctorOetker wrote: post #56

What makes Iran believe unilateral fees on subsea internet cables would be paid? If they start paying in this case, the rest of the world is going to start demanding unilateral fees from the operators. If operators are going to pay up anyhow, they might prefer chipping in for NATO support than publically rewarding such behavior... "chipping in" could range from symbolic to substantial, as the alternative would be fac…

>What makes Iran believe unilateral fees on subsea internet cables would be paid? Presumably because they will attempt to destroy them if the fees are not paid.

They're just trolling the US. But if the US attacks and Iran again and Iran feels that the cables are vital to US military interests, they might destroy them. They have a right to: The cables cross the territory of the sovereign Iranian state.

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Post by ch4s3 »

ck2 wrote: post #9
mikestew wrote: post #2

"Esfandiary, of Bloomberg Economics, said Iran “theoretically knew” it had leverage over the strait but was uncertain how significant the impact would be if it acted on those threats. Now, she added, Tehran “has discovered the impact.” The thing that mystifies me is that U. S. war planners "theoretically knew" this, too; at least, I would assume. The whole war strikes me as the current administration finding out the…

it's even more simple than that Israel talked him into it, just like he has no interest in anything until the last person in the room whispers ideas into his ear Lindsey Graham is this term's Rudy Giuliani and he was flying back and forth to Israel briefing their version of the CIA on what to tell Trump to get him to do this Personally I think another aspect is once he realized American oil companies became massively…

>Israel talked him into it,

Trump has hated the Iranian regime since the hostage crisis. He called for Ronald Reagan to invade Iran in a 1987 TV interview. He's been remarkably consistent on this issue.

Re: Iran will impose fees on subsea internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by eckelhesten »

DivingForGold wrote: post #49
properbrew wrote: post #36

And what's to stop them increasing the fees at any time for "protection"?

Just another "mafia" that the world can do without ...

Ahhh yes, the mafia who got bullied and fought back.

Look, I’m all for the Iranian gov to cease. But don’t pretend that the US and it’s scoundrels aren’t the mafia and criminals in this matter.

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Post by dylan604 »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #51
crikeykangaroo wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, the USA is the one who creates havoc and started this mess in the first place. What international order?!

Iran is the one blocking the strait, not the US.

Iran is blocking transit of ships bearing the flag of countries it opposes. The US is blocking all other ships of countries Iran supports.
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