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Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by Aurornis »

tptacek wrote: post #45

I think a lot about how there's a very plausible alternate history where Elon Musk controls most of the frontier of AI.

I've thought about that, too, but it would require that all of the key individuals at OpenAI would have been willing to stay at OpenAI under his ownership.

That seems unlikely to me given how divisive he is. OpenAI already had one existential leadership crisis without Musk. I doubt it would have fair better under his notoriously difficult leadership. If he had wrestled control away, I would expect an exodus of employees going to new companies.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Freedom2 wrote: post #55
dzonga wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Muskys problem is does things in the moment as a way to increase popularity without thinking that end up bitting him. e.g the twitter thing - forced to buy when he didn't want.

I wonder if a more "hardcore" team, by his words, would have handled this legal case better?

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by dcow »

tahoeskibum wrote: post #30

Anybody read the article:"...that his lawsuits had been filed too late."

Right. Nobody cares whether Musk won or lost (well maybe a few do). People actually following the case wanted to know whether OpenAI would be held in any way accountable for anything. And this “resolution” does not satisfy. Before Musk got involved, what happened at OpenAI was a BigProblem for many people.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by qyph »

colechristensen wrote: post #48
2b3a51 wrote: post #9

Reached for comment by TechCrunch, Musk’s lead counsel Marc Toberoff said, “One word: Appeal.” One wonders on what grounds? In the UK, in a civil case like this, the judge I think comments on the likelihood of an appeal avenue once the verdict has been reached.

He lost on the grounds of a statue of limitations defense which is exactly the kind of thing which is easily appealable.

Are you a lawyer? IANAL but my understanding is it would be difficult for an appeal to succeed. Appeals courts only evaluate review matters of law, not of fact. Whether is has been more than the 3 year limit the statute of limitations places is a matter of fact I think. And the advisory jury makes this much harder to appeal. What do you think the grounds for appeal will be?

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Post by blurbleblurble »

shimman wrote: post #59
outside2344 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the Trump thing, which cratered his car business

Yeah but he was able to personally make the call to kill millions of people around the world, he's just going back to his roots.

I don't believe in racial essentialism myself but I know someone who does

*ducks to dodge downvotes for not only making a bad dad joke but a political one*

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Post by freejazz »

pixl97 wrote: post #47
freejazz wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The jury found against Musk - what exactly are you talking about?

Like any case involving legal matters, they are talking about things they deeply do not understand.

More shocking than the sheer incorrectness of the legal analysis I see here often is the confidence with which it is offered.
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