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Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Post by BoorishBears »

operatingthetan wrote: post #55
BoorishBears wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand this comment. If you want to be the minimally charitable + maximally accurate commenter your tone suggests, then you're also wrong. It's a superset of the reasons you poorly articulated, and those reasons would include the fact it's cool. Cool things can help both recruitment and morale, and the US military seems to recognize that: https://armedforcessports.defense.gov/Sports/Esports/ If this is ju…

Don't make things up or project based on your perception of tone.

It's not (just) my perception, most socially aware people would interpret the sign off:

> So in response you select the most naive take?

As well as your reply to me now, as having an unduly negative tone... at least, given the lack of substance or importance.

(Ironically, I have less of hang up on meaningful arguments delivered with edge than most people.)

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Post by yepyoukno »

rootusrootus wrote: post #40
barbazoo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the real purpose of airshows anyway? It always seems like very elevated risk for very little reward but I might just be missing what the reward is.

Too many comments are trying to overanalyze, or just show off their insightful cynicism. We do airshows because they are cool . Lots of us love airplanes. Humans do all kinds of activities for entertainment that are not strictly justifiable returns on investment. I hope we never get that boring, though every year we do seem to go that direction.

I grew up in a time a whole lot more was spent on air shows.

They do it because it’s awesome and it is one of the few opportunities they get to show off their gear to the public!

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Post by jcgrillo »

avalys wrote: post #3

These are pretty expensive and specialized electronic warfare planes that are identical to a regular F18 in aerodynamic performance. Sucks to lose two of them for an airshow display. Isn’t that what the Blue Angels are for?

If the Internet is to be believed they're not actually more expensive than an F/A-18, and as far as military aircraft go.. not the most expensive. But a ~$150M accident is nothing to sneeze at.

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Post by [deleted] »

BoorishBears wrote: post #61
operatingthetan wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't make things up or project based on your perception of tone.

It's not (just) my perception, most socially aware people would interpret the sign off: > So in response you select the most naive take? As well as your reply to me now, as having an unduly negative tone... at least, given the lack of substance or importance. (Ironically, I have less of hang up on meaningful arguments delivered with edge than most people.)

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Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Post by bigyabai »

BoorishBears wrote: post #61
operatingthetan wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't make things up or project based on your perception of tone.

It's not (just) my perception, most socially aware people would interpret the sign off: > So in response you select the most naive take? As well as your reply to me now, as having an unduly negative tone... at least, given the lack of substance or importance. (Ironically, I have less of hang up on meaningful arguments delivered with edge than most people.)

They're being rude, but right. Burying your head in the sand is not an intellectually gratifying response to barbazoo's comment, and the actual meat of their answer ("because they're cool") is obviously incorrect.

Both are unprofessional comments, but only the original was dishonest. The "too many comments" shtick is a thought terminating cliche that shouldn't be encouraged on HN.

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Post by vjvjvjvjghv »

ericmay wrote: post #24
barbazoo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the real purpose of airshows anyway? It always seems like very elevated risk for very little reward but I might just be missing what the reward is.

Crashes are rare. Exposure to the civilian for what their tax dollars are paying for, opportunities for pilots to become more skilled and train other pilots for advanced maneuvers. Things like that. Overall there’s not too much meat on the bone as far as criticisms are concerned.

Tell that to the people that died or got horribly burned at Ramstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramstein_air_show_disaster

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Post by kube-system »

jterrys wrote: post #41
avalys wrote: post #3

These are pretty expensive and specialized electronic warfare planes that are identical to a regular F18 in aerodynamic performance. Sucks to lose two of them for an airshow display. Isn’t that what the Blue Angels are for?

This actually begs the question...why the fuck would they use THESE for an airshow? They're aesthetically identical to F18 from a ground silhouette perspective. They blew through some really expensive planes from a much smaller fleet for a pony show that any regular F18 could've been part of.

These were locally stationed, just over the border in Washington. The Blue Angels are in Florida today.

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Post by rogerrogerr »

arwhatever wrote: post #8

That maneuver they were attempting looks WILD. Would have been amazing to have pulled of. Or, perhaps to have regularly pulled off until today. I'm guessing that must be some sort of vectored thrust trickery.

They weren’t attempting anything, just repositioning for the next pass. They were flying away from the audience. They lost track of each other.

Re: Two EA-18 fighter jets collide at Mountain Home airshow, pilots ejected safely

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Post by BoorishBears »

bigyabai wrote: post #65
BoorishBears wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not (just) my perception, most socially aware people would interpret the sign off: > So in response you select the most naive take? As well as your reply to me now, as having an unduly negative tone... at least, given the lack of substance or importance. (Ironically, I have less of hang up on meaningful arguments delivered with edge than most people.)

They're being rude, but right. Burying your head in the sand is not an intellectually gratifying response to barbazoo's comment, and the actual meat of their answer ("because they're cool") is obviously incorrect. Both are unprofessional comments, but only the original was dishonest. The "too many comments" shtick is a thought terminating cliche that shouldn't be encouraged on HN.

Again, they're not even right if we're going maximum correctness here...

Maximally correct answer is "there are many reasons with complex interplay", and those reasons do include the fact it's cool! Being cool has interplay with morale, recruitment, and even their ham-fisted attempt at referencing geopolitics.

They'd be "more right" if they said in addition, but they just straight up said "No."

(Also where did you read a too many comments shtick?)

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