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An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by christoph »

Honestly, my opinion, our lives were fundamentally better before some tech came along - touchscren phones & “social” networks being the main two. We still haven’t caught up with the carnage this has caused. Kids social media bans are only now becoming a thing in some countries and we’re left with a deep sense of unease it’s really not to protect the kids at all.

It’s lead to plenty of good as well, a luddite I am not. I love my tech. I love conversing with people online, I became a happy mIRC user well over 20 years ago, I use telegram & discord daily. I just really, really despise tech’s current trajectory. I grew up wanting this stuff to supplement my life, not control & rule over it. The days where I want to toss it all in the trash and run off to the woods are increasing all the time. I didn’t want an internet where i’m constantly having to ask myself every image… is this real? I certainly don’t want one that’s constantly surveilling me and I definitely don’t want one that’s about to threaten to lock me out, or up(!), the moment I commit wrongspeak.

The analogy would be a 17 year old kid passing his driving test and getting straight in a 500bhp rear wheel drive sports car. We as a society have just collectively done that over the last two decades. And it feels like we’re just about to take it nuclear with AI.

So we can dwell on all of that past or set ourselves some basic goals and ambitions to aim for. Refocus. Change the conversation.

Somebody responded to me earlier that “at least we have reusable rockets”. Do you know what I really want? It’s really quite basic - clean air, clean water and clean energy. Let’s collectively work to tick those three off the list, for every.single.soul here on this planet first, then after that, we can focus on making them free for everybody. Then we can set our sights on the stars.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by dwoldrich »

'Hate' and 'fascist' seem to reliably trigger people to stew in anger and give up their power.

Don't fall for the divide and conquer. You have agency, you can do your part to steer the ship if you can resist the learned helplessness of hatred.

AI is a tool. I enjoy using it as a search engine. But just like I don't trust everything on the internet, I don't blindly trust AI. AI's index the same information as search engines with additional retrieval error factored in.

There are deeply unprofitable modes of AI. The chat interfaces are, as I understand it, deeply unprofitable loss leaders whereas the enterprise API's and agentic stuff is profitable.

Maybe try to intensify your use of the unprofitable offerings if you you dislike what the AI companies stand for before the economics come back to earth for them?

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by bluefirebrand »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #17
saez wrote: post #3

I think it’s interesting that AI is in itself compressing the length of time it takes to move through its phases to reach maturity. It’s a lot faster than for example the dotcom phase. Humans don’t much like change, and fast change worries them even more. The dotcom bubble didn’t really threaten jobs in the same way that the AI shift is. It’s closer to the industrial revolution / the industrial loom where people lost…

Luddite would imply people are burning data centers down to fight back. I don't think we're quite there yet.

I can't wait for it personally. I'm expecting the backlash against tech to be massive and terrible. It will be well deserved

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by jmye »

wilg wrote: post #25
happytoexplain wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with reality, where reality means "what people have", rather than "the economy".

"What people have" is robustly measured, well-understood, and pretty much all available evidence suggests that people (at least in the US and developed countries) are doing better than ever on most important metrics. But it is not as seductive as "everything is terrible"!

You will never break through the thousands of hours of doomer bullshit people are fed on TikTok all day. The post you first responded to, for instance, is talking about not being able to afford a home in the entire state they work in, which is obviously ridiculous, but it feeds the same "woe is me" bullshit from people whose only outlet for existential angst is now bitching about how poor they think they'll be in five years when they turn 18.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by pizzly »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #35
AussieWog93 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've personally used Codex to reconcile financial data, and met a guy who basically built his own AI inference engine to help him fight a custody battle for his daughter (semantic search over gigabytes of documents). I'm not saying lawyers and accountants are going to all be out of a job (at the end of the day, they do more than just comb over documents to find the needle in the haystack), but a lot of the manual gru…

I would say there's basically zero chance lawyers go out of a job. As soon as it looks like lawyers will be replaced by AI, the people who run the government (who are lawyers!) will pass laws to make it illegal to cut the human out of the loop.

This is likely to happen but would be disastrous. Our experience show that when you cannot afford a lawyer that using AI helps equal the battle field. You can self represent and use all the case history and laws that AI has searched for. We have been successful doing this in cases where we may have lost without the use of AI and gained some form of justice as a result. Even before AI became prevalent we found we got better results with researching manually than the free lawyers who did not care and seemed not to understand the law themselves. With AI the advantage is saving time. You can live your life without sending weeks working on it fully.

The only way they can make it illegal to take the human out of the loop is if they ban self representation. Otherwise people will do research with AI and just present their findings in court. But the free/cheap lawyers are actually so much worse.If laws prevent self representation we would increase the inequality even more.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by jmye »

edgyquant wrote: post #48
wilg wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether most people agree is irrelevant to whether it's right. You can look at all kinds of numbers which are not the stock market to determine how well people are doing and whether things are getting better or worse. Your conspiracy theories about unemployment numbers are wrong.

The job market is objectively terrible, groceries are insanely expensive and people can’t afford to buy homes until they’re 50. Your attempts at gaslighting aren’t going to work anymore buddy

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Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by marcus_holmes »

wilg wrote: post #25
happytoexplain wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with reality, where reality means "what people have", rather than "the economy".

"What people have" is robustly measured, well-understood, and pretty much all available evidence suggests that people (at least in the US and developed countries) are doing better than ever on most important metrics. But it is not as seductive as "everything is terrible"!

Who are you going to believe? Your lying bank balance or statistics?

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by karim79 »

I don't really see the problem here. We're all getting laid off because AI I superior to us. I can now do the job of a product owner or even exceed it by simply prompting with some nuance, magic spells and bit of salt and pepper.

But down the road the AI bros promise us that this will reduce inequality and make human society better, somehow.

I really need to understand this shit and if anyone can weigh in on it I'd be most grateful. We will all eventually get replaced by AI and yet we need to pay Big AI to stay in the game. Even when nobody has any income.

I'm sure that there is someone here who can smack down this comment and put me in my place and give me a good and proper lesson in economics.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by marcus_holmes »

TomJansen wrote: post #12
saez wrote: post #3

I think it’s interesting that AI is in itself compressing the length of time it takes to move through its phases to reach maturity. It’s a lot faster than for example the dotcom phase. Humans don’t much like change, and fast change worries them even more. The dotcom bubble didn’t really threaten jobs in the same way that the AI shift is. It’s closer to the industrial revolution / the industrial loom where people lost…

I agree partly with your comment, but I want to add this perspective: The dot-com era treatened and killed many jobs in banking (bank tellers and such). AI is now doing the same, but now it is threatening the jobs of consultants.

This. The internet killed high-street retail.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Post by marcus_holmes »

maplethorpe wrote: post #47

I used to be proud to say I worked in tech. Now I look around me and I'm surrounded by scam artists and grifters. Where did it all go wrong?

Same happened in the dot-com boom. There was a bunch of folks who were in it because they were genuinely interested in building cool stuff. And then the money got interested, and suddenly there was a wave of scam artists and grifters. That receded (but never entirely went away) when the money bubble burst.
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