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At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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9 out if 10 paid astroturfers and bot accounts agree with me!

Trying to imagine who would be paying for bots to support killing flock cameras. Who would profit from that? Seems more likely to go the other way.

Russia greatly benefits from political instability and turmoil in America and encouraging stuff like this is their modus operandi. I say this as somebody who very much dislikes the idea of Flock.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#62

This website and article promote the destruction of property. If you disagree with something, you can engage civily, encourage people to vote with you, run for elections. Violence is not the answer.

might want to check a history book, you may be surprised what the answer usually was.

Regardless, I do agree with the commentor. Effective or not, violence, to me, is always the wrong answer.

Calling the "destruction of property" violence though—I might take issue with that.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Good. I generally believe in following the law within limits, and a surveillance state is outside of those limits. I don't care about the "good" these cameras provide, because they're neglecting the very real dangers of living in a surveillance state.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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post #54

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The irony is destruction of private property will only justify the very surveillance one is trying to avoid. Would you agree ring cameras should be destroyed too? The police can use their footage. In practice they are similar to flock.

Kinda like saying "Throwing the British's tea into Boston harbor will only make us subject to harsher terms." The reality is the vast majority of social progress in the last millenium was achieved with force and threat of force. I find this weird revisionist "violence is never the answer" trope recited as a fact that needs no justification to be incredibly weird and unreliable.

So what are you advocating for?

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is destruction of private property will only justify the very surveillance one is trying to avoid. Would you agree ring cameras should be destroyed too? The police can use their footage. In practice they are similar to flock.

Kinda like saying "Throwing the British's tea into Boston harbor will only make us subject to harsher terms." The reality is the vast majority of social progress in the last millenium was achieved with force and threat of force. I find this weird revisionist "violence is never the answer" trope recited as a fact that needs no justification to be incredibly weird and unreliable.

Violence is only the answer if you're willing to cost a few thousands (sometimes millions) of lives.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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9 out if 10 paid astroturfers and bot accounts agree with me!

Trying to imagine who would be paying for bots to support killing flock cameras. Who would profit from that? Seems more likely to go the other way.

Flock?

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

#67

This website and article promote the destruction of property. If you disagree with something, you can engage civily, encourage people to vote with you, run for elections. Violence is not the answer.

I don't see anything on the site or article that promote the destruction of property. It's an aggregation of public information regarding the history of vandalism towards a specific target.

The website largely documents the current state of privacy and provides resources for (digital) services that help maintain privacy. This is an encouraging civil engagement which educates and empowers the audience.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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The irony is destruction of private property will only justify the very surveillance one is trying to avoid. Would you agree ring cameras should be destroyed too? The police can use their footage. In practice they are similar to flock.

Similar but nowhere close to a substitute

Why not? They can retroactively be used like flock. Amazon could partner with them tomorrow. The police already can and have asked Amazon to footage and correlated it to find people.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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There seems to be enough energy for both?

Illegally breaking Flock cameras makes you look like a conspiracy nut or radical to the average Joe and make them sceptical of any privacy movements by association.

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Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is destruction of private property will only justify the very surveillance one is trying to avoid. Would you agree ring cameras should be destroyed too? The police can use their footage. In practice they are similar to flock.

Kinda like saying "Throwing the British's tea into Boston harbor will only make us subject to harsher terms." The reality is the vast majority of social progress in the last millenium was achieved with force and threat of force. I find this weird revisionist "violence is never the answer" trope recited as a fact that needs no justification to be incredibly weird and unreliable.

Property destruction is not the same crime as battery/assault/etc.

Let’s not call breaking a camera “violence”.

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