For me, the appeal of local compute is first and foremost confidentiality and having the possibility to run my 200K documents through an LLM just to see what happen without having to consider the cost.
Apple Silicon costs more than OpenRouter
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Re: Apple Silicon costs more than OpenRouter
#62Unless I'm misunderstanding, this is counting the entire laptop in the cost of generating tokens. The calculation seems to omit that, in addition to receiving LLM output, you have also received a laptop in exchange for your money. If you intend to put this machine in a dark corner and run it solely as a token-munching server, a laptop would be an exceptionally poor choice of technology for this purpose. But if you in…
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Re: Apple Silicon costs more than OpenRouter
#63Unless I'm misunderstanding, this is counting the entire laptop in the cost of generating tokens. The calculation seems to omit that, in addition to receiving LLM output, you have also received a laptop in exchange for your money. If you intend to put this machine in a dark corner and run it solely as a token-munching server, a laptop would be an exceptionally poor choice of technology for this purpose. But if you in…
Yeah, a better metric might be, the difference in cost between the laptop you need to run local models, and the laptop you would have bought anyway.
The base 14" m5 MacBook pro is $1700 with 16gb/1tb. The author's spec is $4300 - $2600 more.
It depends on how often you use it (and your tolerance for slow inference) and whether you would have otherwise bought a higher spec. For my needs, this costs a LOT more.
Re: Apple Silicon costs more than OpenRouter
#64If you want a good dense model, use qwen3.6 27B instead, speed will be up, and if you don't take my word for it being smarter, take openrouter's prices of it against the bigger, slower and less memory-efficient gemma do the talking.
If you want a faster model, go for qwen3.6 35B (or gemma 4 26B if gemma models perform better for your tasks). There is a reason why people (myself included) haven't shut up about those two (especially the 27B). Its small enough to run at a decent speed (especially with the built in MTP that finally has official llama.cpp support) and for many workloads (every benchmark I have ever thrown at it) it is matching or surpassing models it has no right to.
A couple of days ago I woke up with my internet being down, started 27B in pi, told it to diagnose whats wrong by giving it my router's password, went to grab a coffee and by the time I got back, i had a full report with suggestion on how to proceed. I love openrouter and I use it for many things, but it is not cheaper.
Subjectivity and opinions based on personal experience with all those models implied naturally, I assume the 31B gemma has cases in which it edges out, I've just failed finding any and I have been running all 4 models mentioned since hours after each of them dropped nonstop for different tasks. Hell, for my hermes, I've started getting better results once I switched from gemma 4 26B to qwen3.5 9B, not even the massively improved 3.6 series. It just feels outdated/ cherrypicked to not use what by many accounts is the current consumer hardware SOTA if doing such an analysis.
Re: Apple Silicon costs more than OpenRouter
#65Frontier AI companies are selling at a loss. Excusing everything else that u/bastawhiz said[0]; the obvious fact here is that Claude, OpenAI, Gemini et al. are quite literally burning through 100's of billions of dollars and selling it back to you for pennies on the dollar in the hopes that they get to be the only one left. If I spend $10 growing Oranges and sell them to you for $1; then of course it's more expensive…
That seems unlikely. There are many providers for open models on openrouter. It seems unlikely that they are throwing money away for each token they sell.
Also, there a good technical reasons for inference being much more efficient at scale.
Re: Apple Silicon costs more than OpenRouter
#66Frontier AI companies are selling at a loss. Excusing everything else that u/bastawhiz said[0]; the obvious fact here is that Claude, OpenAI, Gemini et al. are quite literally burning through 100's of billions of dollars and selling it back to you for pennies on the dollar in the hopes that they get to be the only one left. If I spend $10 growing Oranges and sell them to you for $1; then of course it's more expensive…
> Frontier AI companies are selling at a loss.
How big/deep of a loss?
I feel like I read this every day for years that Uber did this same "idiotic, losing" strategy (how it was pitched/discussed) and then one day we woke up and... without much fuss, boom, they were profitable seemingly overnight.
Re: Apple Silicon costs more than OpenRouter
#67Frontier AI companies are selling at a loss. Excusing everything else that u/bastawhiz said[0]; the obvious fact here is that Claude, OpenAI, Gemini et al. are quite literally burning through 100's of billions of dollars and selling it back to you for pennies on the dollar in the hopes that they get to be the only one left. If I spend $10 growing Oranges and sell them to you for $1; then of course it's more expensive…
The inference is absolutely not sold at a loss, at least not when paying API prices (the subscriptions are less clear). The reason frontier model companies aren’t profitable is because training the models is so costly, not inference.
Re: Apple Silicon costs more than OpenRouter
#68Frontier AI companies are selling at a loss. Excusing everything else that u/bastawhiz said[0]; the obvious fact here is that Claude, OpenAI, Gemini et al. are quite literally burning through 100's of billions of dollars and selling it back to you for pennies on the dollar in the hopes that they get to be the only one left. If I spend $10 growing Oranges and sell them to you for $1; then of course it's more expensive…
The blog compares the cost of running Gemma4 31b, which on OpenRouter is offered by small no-name inference providers, not by frontier AI companies. It seems like a fair comparison to me.
Re: Apple Silicon costs more than OpenRouter
#69Frontier AI companies are selling at a loss. Excusing everything else that u/bastawhiz said[0]; the obvious fact here is that Claude, OpenAI, Gemini et al. are quite literally burning through 100's of billions of dollars and selling it back to you for pennies on the dollar in the hopes that they get to be the only one left. If I spend $10 growing Oranges and sell them to you for $1; then of course it's more expensive…
Do you have a proof? Anthropic’s CEO said they Are profitable. Same with OpenAI.
Re: Apple Silicon costs more than OpenRouter
#70Frontier AI companies are selling at a loss. Excusing everything else that u/bastawhiz said[0]; the obvious fact here is that Claude, OpenAI, Gemini et al. are quite literally burning through 100's of billions of dollars and selling it back to you for pennies on the dollar in the hopes that they get to be the only one left. If I spend $10 growing Oranges and sell them to you for $1; then of course it's more expensive…
> I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Why? It's no less crazy than when Uber and Lyft were doing the same thing. Or when the entire tech industry was doing it in the dot com boom.
Investment-driven market growth at a loss is like the least surprising thing in all of this. The tech is new and fascinating. The bubble is just another trip through the funhouse.