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London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by hgs6 »

fidotron wrote: post #14

I'm old enough to remember when my colleagues were vigourously expressing concern about the potential for Oyster cards to be used to track who was protesting where. What remains astounding about the UK is how few people benefit from this enormous scale privacy invasion. David Cameron, while leader of the opposition, managed to get his bike stolen twice, and neither time did CCTV being literally everywhere help to fin…

Illusion of Control. Oct 7th, 9/11, Snowden, Epstein are all examples of illusion being broken. The reactions are to restore illusion. But its getting harder and harder as things changes faster than reactions can happen. So we get Moises Naims prediction on the End of Power - power is easier to get, harder to use, easy to loose.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

Leonard_of_Q wrote: post #30
phyzix5761 wrote: post #11

The UK is one of the most effective and longest running surveillance states so this should not be a surprise to anyone.

Whether they're 'effective' is unclear but that this has been a long-growing trend is clear and with that I wonder why this post was downvoted.

Yes, the fact that large number of criminal activities have effectively been decriminalized would tend to beg the question why this is being deployed at a political protest.

The implication of police state is that they care about crime, but they do not care about crime. Anyone can turn up in Britain, claim asylum and will be sent to a hotel closed down for their comfort. Many visas were denied for speakers at this protest.

It is a politician state, not a police state. Facial recognition is being deployed against political opponents, not criminals.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by gerdesj »

fidotron wrote: post #14

I'm old enough to remember when my colleagues were vigourously expressing concern about the potential for Oyster cards to be used to track who was protesting where. What remains astounding about the UK is how few people benefit from this enormous scale privacy invasion. David Cameron, while leader of the opposition, managed to get his bike stolen twice, and neither time did CCTV being literally everywhere help to fin…

Bugger Oyster and bugger CCTV! How well protected do you think all those video doorbells are?

Your comment is right minded but miss-guided.

You are right to insist on privacy but you failed to note that your neighbours are not twitching their curtains beyond noting your cat is crapping on their veg. To be fair, they probably are but those door cams are probably available in forn parts, way beyond Gladys at no 9's wildest dreams.

I'm old enough to remember Badgers flying across the UK! Those are fucking huge Russian four engined plodders, wheezing across at high altitude in an attempt to cow us into ... some sort of submission. Invariably a flight of Phantoms or Starfighters would whizz on up. In the good old days we'd strap a decent chap onto a firework called a Lightning. I did see a pair do that job - spectacular and I'm sure the pilots probably ended up swallowing their teeth.

Russia does steam punk in some bloody odd ways.

Anyway, I would avoid worrying about our state watching you and worry about other states instead.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by Gigachad »

andrepd wrote: post #58
Gigachad wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn’t the resources to watch all of this cctv. Sure someone could spend weeks watching all the feeds in the city to track the thief down. But the cost quickly exceeds the value of the bike. Something that’s changing with computer video and AI powered video search tools. I’m very in two minds about it. Being able to solve bike thefts would be great, but a lot of evil could come from a system that actually can mo…

What do you mean? Pulling a few camera feeds to track down or identify a theft occurring at a known location at a roughly known time is a few minute's work. It's worth the value of the bike let alone the value of prosecuting a criminal.

In my experience they will pull the video of the bike literally being stolen, but it simply shows someone in a hoodie and mask at night cutting the lock and walking off. There's nothing further you can do with this video.

What you need is something like being able to search all of the cameras from a wide area which contain a bike and x color hoodie so you can follow the person back to some other location that identifies them further. This is the part that's missing in most cities. It could be done manually, and it would be if it was a very serious crime like terrorism, but for normal theft it isn't worth the time. The tech does exist now though.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by malfist »

basisword wrote: post #53
suburban_strike wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit of an oversell on their part. The offenses include: > A 36-year-old woman who had been unlawfully at large for more than 20 years and was wanted for failing to appeal at court for an assault in 2004. > A 31-year-old man who was wanted for voyeurism for more than six months. > A 41-year-old man who was wanted for rape in relation to an incident which took place in November in Croydon. > 37 arrests for br…

> A 31-year-old man who was wanted for voyeurism for more than six months. > A 41-year-old man who was wanted for rape in relation to an incident which took place in November in Croydon. >> These are all pretty low-hanging fruit. >> This is literally the "overpolicing" of petty crime critical race theory bemoans. You listed voyeurism and RAPE. I'll take one less rapist on the streets thank you very much.

People who give up privacy for security will get neither.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

KaiserPro wrote: post #31
stavros wrote: post #2

Wow, that's... quite the precedent. Presumably this is a Reform UK event, which I'm not a fan of, but still, I don't think this escalation of surveillance will end well. The article says that drones "will scan the faces of suspects", suspects of what exactly? What crime has been committed that they suspect people for?

> this is a Reform UK event No, its a Tommy Robinson (not his real name) event. Whilst the venn diagram shows crossover in policy and beliefs, its not actually a reform demo. I am uneasy about the facial recognition being used here. In terms of actual differences to how "oh shit this is going to be a violent one" protests are actually policed is not that much. There are mobile CCTV units that are deployed with plods…

There has been no violence at any of the previous marches iirc. I think people assume there must have been because Starmer and co are foaming for violence...but there weren't.

Also, they have banned 11 people from getting visas because they were "agitators" and are deploying 4k police officers.

Just as a reminder though, the UK has people standing for political office who were convicted of terrorist offences, we have people here leading terrorist groups in other countries, we have people turning up illegally who are carrying out terrorist attacks in the UK regularly...it is a very odd situation.

One of the groups at the pro-Palestine protest is also funded by the same groups that fund Labour. There has obviously been quite a bit of violence at these events and adherents of this ideology have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK...but they are allied with a group that funds Labour so...all good.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #44
Leonard_of_Q wrote: post #29

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> how about doing the same with the recurring 'pro-Palestine' manifestations? Genuine question: has there been physical violence (against people, not property) at their protests in the UK?

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Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by asib »

spwa4 wrote: post #59
4ndrewl wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe it's just that whenever Tommy ten names has one of his rallies it ends in violence?

Ever walked through the streets of London after essentially any rally? They all end in violence.

Are you serious? This is so ignorant it's unbelievable. There are gazillions of marches that have ended without incident.
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