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Turns out using less engine bleed air is good for fuel economy, so now it's 50% recirculated HEPA filtered (which does nothing for the co2 contents) air.
How does this work for all-electric planes like the 787?
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What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)
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Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)
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Lol. I was 14 when I took a long distance international flight on a 747 in 1979. The family was sitting in the “non-smoking section”. I can tell you for a fact that the air quality in that plane was terrible. Possibly because a number of passengers in the non-smoking section still deigned to smoke. Whaddaya do eh?
There seems to be a door smoker effect to this day, where smokers are drawn to smoke just inside of the areas you aren't supposed to smoke.
It's an addiction, they're compelled to smoke, and so at the edges of the area they'll light up.
That's how the Kings Cross Fire started. Escalator full of potential fuel, smoker drops a used match, it falls inside the machine, fire. It wasn't legal technically to be smoking on that escalator, but it would have been legal in a few paces so "everybody" did it. The investigators found signs that such fires had likely started or almost started many times before, the disaster was just that this time it burned for long enough to create a pool of extremely hot gas flowing up the inclined ceiling for the escalator, and we got to discover the Trench Effect in the least fun way possible.
Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)
#63I miss this awful habit so much. Ever since quitting years ago I never really recovered. It’s like 35% of my mental focus and clarity evaporated. All these moments when something had to be figured out suddenly things became easy if you only went for a smoke. Solutions became crystal clear obvious and effortless. At a price. Without it is always like a little bit of heavy fog is obscuring everything. That I know could…
Have you tried doing something similarly meditative instead?
Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)
#64For those who are not that old, when cigarettes were mainstream there were many scientists (or business backed science) telling people that smoking was healthy. Then they decided to change tact when it became obvious it was causing lung disease.
Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Smoking on airplanes is the one that just seemed like an accident waiting to happen. And yet there were (relatively) few incidents caused by cigarettes.
I heard that air quality on planes was better back then (maybe someone who was alive then can confirm). Because of smoking they had to ventilate the whole aircraft much better. While these days I feel like they are just starving us for oxygen so as to not have to heat up fresh air.
I had also heard that during regular aircraft inspections, the residue from cigarette smoke made small cracks and such in the airframe obvious.
Today that sounds to me like urban folklore (or Big Tobacco folklore).
Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)
#66Quit smoking 10 years ago. Best thing I ever did. I'm particularly inspired by articles like this: * https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/what-happens-body-qu... According to the article I have 5 years to go till my body has completely recovered from the effects of smoking.
I quit in 1999. I don't need to tell you how hard it was. A year of still wanting a cigarette, having to fight the urge, every single day.
Two years quit and I was still having dreams where I am lighting up…
Twenty-seven years since now and it's all a distant memory. Even forgotten in dreamland…
Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)
#67what will our grand kids be shocked to read about us and our acceptable 'cigarettes'? plastic everywhere social media as news teflon fossil fuel cars sugar/ultra-processed food
> fossil fuel cars All or almost all of fire is my guess. My guess is that celebratory fire is last to go, bonfires, fireworks, in 2070 probably roasting marshmallows is at the edge of reasonable behaviour, but the idea that we deliberately burned things as part of normal life will seem very odd. In 1870 fire is the usual (and incredibly wasteful) way humans make light and heat everywhere. In 1970 there's more abstra…
Fires—interesting point.
I'm in a neighborhood in Omaha, Nebraska that is maybe 5 years old—new housing development. There are no chimneys on any of the homes.
When I was in the Bay Area, sure, not a surprise. I am surprised the Midwaste gives a shit.
(To be sure, everyone seems to have fire pits in their backyards, ha ha. You take what you can get, I suppose.)
Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)
#68what will our grand kids be shocked to read about us and our acceptable 'cigarettes'? plastic everywhere social media as news teflon fossil fuel cars sugar/ultra-processed food
Ha ha, the replies to your comment have become a laundry list of people's grievances and/or agendas.
Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)
#69and yet somehow that world seemed more healthy than today's
I get what you're saying. And seeing your detractors here, I can't argue with the data.
I wonder though if we didn't trade the low-hanging fruit of lung cancer for the kinds of things that kill us now. I won't argue that we didn't add a decade to our average lifespan, but it does seem our lives have become more sedentary than they were. (Mine certainly has—but then I'm also forty-plus years older, ha ha.)
I wonder how 70's man and 70's woman fared who didn't smoke or live with a smoker—if you compared just that group with modern man and woman.
Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)
#70It's so strange sometimes watching tv shows and movies from the 90's where you see characters smoking indoors in public places. Like in Seinfeld you will have episodes where Kramer is smoking in offices....and even in the doctor's clinic! There was an episode where Kramer took out a cigar and smoked in a doctor's waiting room. I thought he would immediately get in trouble but none of the other characters cared. And t…
You don't have to go back 30 years to see it. Just take a shared taxi in Sumatra. Most of the men and some women will be smoking. Inside the car. With the windows closed. Sitting next to babies and young children.