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I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by unixhero »

TrackerFF wrote: post #49

For the past days I've been participating(albeit over Teams) in a conference relevant to my industry (intel), basically startups and established companies showcasing their products to a closed audience of EU gov. officials. One thing I noticed right away, is that all companies were asked "Can we fully host this from within EU or our country" from the various people in audience. Every single one. Many of the startups…

This is not a change. It has been asked since the advent of GDPR. So nearly 10 years.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by XCSme »

aurareturn wrote: post #25

Google Analytics --> Matomo Matomo charges 22 euros for 50k hits/month.[0] Basically, it's unusable for anything other than a hobby site - especially with the number of crawlers nowadays. If you self host for free, you're missing basically all of the good parts of web analytics such as funnel analysis as they lock all of those features being paid subs. [0] https://matomo.org/pricing/

Or, to plug-in my own solution, you can self-host UXWizz[0], pay once, get all features and also receive support/help with setup/self-hosting and long-term maintenance.

[0]: https://www.uxwizz.com/

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by jasoneckert »

TrackerFF wrote: post #49

For the past days I've been participating(albeit over Teams) in a conference relevant to my industry (intel), basically startups and established companies showcasing their products to a closed audience of EU gov. officials. One thing I noticed right away, is that all companies were asked "Can we fully host this from within EU or our country" from the various people in audience. Every single one. Many of the startups…

Several organizations in my area of Canada (including ours) have this as a directive right now too, and are actively exploring options for ensuring data is hosted in Canada or Europe (or have already begun or completed their migrations).

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by everdrive »

bayindirh wrote: post #28
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #13

While I agree with him that the US is becoming more unpredictable, I don't think the EU is much better, especially with regards to digital things where they can be worse in some ways. For example, they are discussing restricting VPN access for 'child protection'[1] [1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_AT...

Currently, if you want the internet-climate of the 1990s or even 2010s, you need to build yours, preferably on a different planet, with your own hardware. We don't have any "ideal" places anymore. And we need to defend what we support and believe.

This is exactly right. The new internet is analogous to cable television, but of course so much worse in many ways. The outrage and addiction are far worse, there are brand new privacy constraints, and of course it's controlled by powerful business interests with much more time and resources to pump into the problem than you have to fight it.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by cryo32 »

TrackerFF wrote: post #49

For the past days I've been participating(albeit over Teams) in a conference relevant to my industry (intel), basically startups and established companies showcasing their products to a closed audience of EU gov. officials. One thing I noticed right away, is that all companies were asked "Can we fully host this from within EU or our country" from the various people in audience. Every single one. Many of the startups…

Seeing and hearing the same. When our giant private equity owners are even pushing us down the on-prem route.

I’m hearing it from “normal” people too which is actually quite weird. To the point of going back to paper for some stuff.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by bayindirh »

throw9304044949 wrote: post #50
bayindirh wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently, if you want the internet-climate of the 1990s or even 2010s, you need to build yours, preferably on a different planet, with your own hardware. We don't have any "ideal" places anymore. And we need to defend what we support and believe.

Have you been around at that time? NSA had recording boxes at ISP routing places, every few days guy would come to swap hdds. Most com was unencrypted. Or read about echolon...

I was four when I was programming my Commodore 64.

I have seen "parallel [dial-up] modem banks" for "lawful interception", then specialized Ethernet cards for DPI, watched traffic analysis dashboard of a REDACTED country live, did DPI on powerful-enough systems myself for personal testing.

I have gone through USENET, flame wars, IRC; did my own MITM, etc. Always knew about echelon, how escrow based Encryption canceled last moment, etc. etc. etc.

At least, the barriers were higher then. These barriers required people to be considerate, well-targeted and selective. Now we don't have any of these. The overhead is almost non-existent for these things.

Doing dragnet operations were costly, and this allowed curious yet good-hearted people to understand the environment they lived in. Now, we're all blacklisted by default and whitelisted as long as we don't touch the wrong paving stone on the internet.

It used to be other way around.

TL;DR: I'm not 15 years old.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

kaon_2 wrote: post #34
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #6

> Digital sovereignty sounds like a buzzword until you think Sure now just think and give me the reason. All these moving to Europe post is getting tiring. Amazon follows the same EU rules, if not more, than Scaleway.

Matt Lakeman writes in one of his blogs that wherever he goes, people tend to love the USA. Except in Europe where he faces a constant storm of criticism. And that was before February. Just like you cannot explain the taste of chocolate to someone, it is hardly possible to explain the mental shift that happened everywhere when the US threatened the EU with military invasion. Like a broken egg this is diplomatic damag…

> this instills an enormous amount of trust

So you are saying the reason that it is just perceived better?

Even that's quite debatable as I worked in few European companies and has never faced any backlash for choosing US vendor. Biggest European tech companies like Mistral and Klarna use many US vendors like AWS.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by rc_kas »

I switched to Protonmail a month ago. It is patently inferior to gmail. Every day I get annoyed by some weakness in the UI that google had apparently just always solved without me ever having to think about it. For example, reading long email chains in the proton UI is horrific. I don't know what google did that made it natural to read and proton does so badly, but it is painful to read these long chains of emails. Another example is log emails from my servers are getting grouped together by Proton. Gmail had sepearated the logs into separate emails in a very natural way. These small annoyances add up and I'm not having a fun time right now with proton.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

bergheim wrote: post #15
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #6

> Digital sovereignty sounds like a buzzword until you think Sure now just think and give me the reason. All these moving to Europe post is getting tiring. Amazon follows the same EU rules, if not more, than Scaleway.

Second paragraph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

Later in the article:

> The act is not limited to companies based in the United States.

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