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“I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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gordian-mind wrote: post #59
embedding-shape wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're calling for "AI companies to be held responsible for the impact of their chatbots" which regardless of what happened before, sounds like a reasonable thing to do, you don't even need to try to look at any correlation or causation to arrive at this. I still don't see where the whole "correlation does not necessarily imply causation" comes in, so because this person was personally affected, they shouldn't reach…

"you don't even need to try to look at any correlation or causation to arrive at this" You actually very much do. If there is no causation, then it is not "their impact". Otherwise, you're just advocating for rope-makers to be punished for wrong-use of their product. Which is, of course, foolish.

Ok, put another way, do you think we clearly know exactly the pros and cons for individuals to use AI chatbots for mental health treatment?

If you don't clearly know exactly those things, wanting anything else than "AI companies to be held responsible for the impact of their chatbots" as a first step would be utterly foolish and de-humanizing.

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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Post by gordian-mind »

embedding-shape wrote: post #61
gordian-mind wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"you don't even need to try to look at any correlation or causation to arrive at this" You actually very much do. If there is no causation, then it is not "their impact". Otherwise, you're just advocating for rope-makers to be punished for wrong-use of their product. Which is, of course, foolish.

Ok, put another way, do you think we clearly know exactly the pros and cons for individuals to use AI chatbots for mental health treatment? If you don't clearly know exactly those things, wanting anything else than "AI companies to be held responsible for the impact of their chatbots" as a first step would be utterly foolish and de-humanizing.

Using uncertainty to punish your perceived enemies is called "injustice".

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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Post by rune-dev »

embedding-shape wrote: post #16
danlitt wrote: post #2

This is the most hilarious JS fail I've ever seen. The entire article renders properly, all the text and styling, then the entire screen is replaced by "Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the browser console for more information)." It's easy enough to fix, just hammer the refresh button to prevent JS from running.

It's such a dream state of JavaScript, that people spent countless of time trying to structure these new web applications in a way so that when one function fails for one button or whatever, it doesn't break the entire client-side view, because that'd be horrible. So what did the frameworks do? Of course wrap the entire application in one big try/catch, that then changes the entire page as soon as there is any error,…

This is a poor implementation not a framework problem lol.

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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Post by embedding-shape »

gordian-mind wrote: post #63
embedding-shape wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, put another way, do you think we clearly know exactly the pros and cons for individuals to use AI chatbots for mental health treatment? If you don't clearly know exactly those things, wanting anything else than "AI companies to be held responsible for the impact of their chatbots" as a first step would be utterly foolish and de-humanizing.

Using uncertainty to punish your perceived enemies is called "injustice".

No, figuring out harms is called "thinking before acting", and unless you want laws and regulations written in blood (something I personally want to avoid), you need to think before acting.

Figuring out what harms something in wide use has, is a good thing, and doesn't mean "ban it today", it means "lets figure it out".

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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Post by embedding-shape »

rune-dev wrote: post #64
embedding-shape wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a dream state of JavaScript, that people spent countless of time trying to structure these new web applications in a way so that when one function fails for one button or whatever, it doesn't break the entire client-side view, because that'd be horrible. So what did the frameworks do? Of course wrap the entire application in one big try/catch, that then changes the entire page as soon as there is any error,…

This is a poor implementation not a framework problem lol.

> This is a poor implementation not a framework problem lol.

I've seen literally pixel-identical error messages taking over the entire screen when there is a JS error, in exactly that way, across countless of websites. If it's not a framework, it's a library in wide use, because tons of websites have exactly the same issue.

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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Post by rune-dev »

embedding-shape wrote: post #66
rune-dev wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a poor implementation not a framework problem lol.

> This is a poor implementation not a framework problem lol. I've seen literally pixel-identical error messages taking over the entire screen when there is a JS error, in exactly that way, across countless of websites. If it's not a framework, it's a library in wide use, because tons of websites have exactly the same issue.

It’s a generic error screen from a framework yes.

But the cause of the error is a poor implementation from the developer.

I can write code that errors out in does that mean it’s bad?

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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Post by xyzsparetimexyz »

DonHopkins wrote: post #31
xyzsparetimexyz wrote: post #9

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Faith and psychosis are not the same thing.

Does it require faith to rape children and protect child rapists, or is that psychosis? It certainly requires psychosis to put your faith in leaders who do that, be it the Pope or Trump.

The Pope and trump are incomparable at this point

Re: “I applied to be pope”: Losing grip on reality while using ChatGPT

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Post by everyday7732 »

josefritzishere wrote: post #68

You would think this level of gullibility has a proportional relationship with IQ but it does not. Gullibility has it's own independent vector.

It isn't entirely independent tho. This person who did some research into it says: "The strongest predictors for who this happens to appear to be:

    Psychedelics and heavy weed usage
    Mental illness, neurodivergence or Traumatic Brain Injury
    Interest in mysticism/pseudoscience/spirituality/"woo"/etc..."
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/6ZnznCaTcbGYsCmqu/the-rise-o...

It fits in this case as well (background of PTSD

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