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Houses are for living, not for speculation

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Re: Houses are for living, not for speculation

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So is energy, food, water and space. And yet, all cost money.

I think energy is actually a good example here of how it should work. At least in the US, it's pretty tightly regulated. Utilities are allowed to run a profitable business, but it's not a totally free market like housing is. We could certainly use some regulations to prevent private equity from buying up millions of single family homes as assets.

Re: Houses are for living, not for speculation

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I wholeheartedly agree with this. My opinion is that governments should tax 2nd, 3rd and further housing so as to prevent people from accumulating residential buildings. If you want to live of your rents, buy a commercial or industrial building, speculate with that. But residential construction should be protected to ensure each household is able to buy one with the average country salary.

In theory I agree with everything but I’ll point out that: > But residential construction should be protected to ensure each household is able to buy one with the average country salary is political suicide, because you’re giving every voter with existing property a haircut on money they believe they already have, that they’ve usually borrowed to buy, and that they’ve financially planned on appreciating. Per Jean-Cla…

I understand, but what if you establish a 10/20 year increasing taxation scheme. Plus some decreasing tax incentive to sell residential property.

You tell people: You have 20 years to sell your second/third residential properties, even at a good tax premium. But in 20 years you MUST have sold or you Will pay lots.of.taxes.

Edit: anyhow... I dont pretend to try to solve this complex issue in a couple of HN comments. It's just a general sentiment I have that the.only way to remove speculation from residential property is by government mandate.

I'm all for this. And I am "part of the problem " as I own 2 houses in 2 different states, and rent one at a freaking high rent price, because the market in that area is crazy.

Re: Houses are for living, not for speculation

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People want to exempt housing from the laws of supply and demand. The reason real estate is expensive is that there is not enough housing available for everyone to own a house that wants a house. If we want inexpensive housing, we need a massive project in this country to build housing. There is no other way to fix it. There is no way to shuffle around ownership of existing housing stock that is going to magically make more houses available. There are not a bunch of houses sitting empty that people want to buy or move into.

Re: Houses are for living, not for speculation

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an indirect way to get at what we really need: a wealth tax. Don't treat the symptom, treat the disease.

Or unoccupancy tax. Forcing landlords to let at the price renters are willing to give will probably do some to reduce rent levels. Same goes for commercial, but in that case, I'd even suggest forefeiture if you are not reducing requested rent within a year of vacancy. Let someone else take over if you overspent.

Where does this misguided theory that there are vacant homes in desirable areas come from?

All data indicates it's not the case, as well as common sense.

Re: Houses are for living, not for speculation

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post #3

I wholeheartedly agree with this. My opinion is that governments should tax 2nd, 3rd and further housing so as to prevent people from accumulating residential buildings. If you want to live of your rents, buy a commercial or industrial building, speculate with that. But residential construction should be protected to ensure each household is able to buy one with the average country salary.

In theory I agree with everything but I’ll point out that: > But residential construction should be protected to ensure each household is able to buy one with the average country salary is political suicide, because you’re giving every voter with existing property a haircut on money they believe they already have, that they’ve usually borrowed to buy, and that they’ve financially planned on appreciating. Per Jean-Cla…

Yes, and for any unit of gov't which is funded by property taxes, there's a second edge on that razor blade. Spiraling residential home values yield spiraling property tax revenues. And there are a whole lot of beneficiaries who feel entitled to their ever-growing cuts of the resulting gov't spending.

Re: Houses are for living, not for speculation

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You have to understand that our money supply is based on debt. It shouldn't be: the money supply is a public good and should be managed for the public good via citizens dividend or whatever, but currently it is debt-based and managed for the private good of the banks. Housing debt has to expand or the economy tanks because the money supply shrinks. Since we are at the end of the current debt cycle, housing has gone v…

Money is a promise of future work or in other words debt itself.

Re: Houses are for living, not for speculation

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post #3

I wholeheartedly agree with this. My opinion is that governments should tax 2nd, 3rd and further housing so as to prevent people from accumulating residential buildings. If you want to live of your rents, buy a commercial or industrial building, speculate with that. But residential construction should be protected to ensure each household is able to buy one with the average country salary.

Just make it easier to build houses. It's like the Bitter Lesson, but for regulation-loving progressives.

Also, buying or building and operating an apartment complex isn't speculation in general, unless you consider basically any financial investment speculation.

Re: Houses are for living, not for speculation

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am against "speculation" on any sort of real estate. On other hand I am not against real estate investments. And I don't think single family housing deserves any kind of special treatment. I see no reason why someone providing capital to build a building and then renting it out to cover cost of that capital, maintenance and building cost is unreasonable or bad thing. Issue really is when market is manipulated to ke…

> I see no reason why someone providing capital to build a building and then renting it out to cover cost of that capital, maintenance and building cost is unreasonable or bad thing. The problem is the scale of investment. For example, 3 companies own 19,000 houses, or 11% of the rental market, in the Atlanta, GA area[0]. The market is being "manipulated" in that investors with vast amounts of cash are outbidding fol…

Limiting what companies can own would lead to increased demand for rental properties thus increased rents. Making the renters who are unable or willing to buy to have to pay increasing amounts of money. I do not see how that would fix housing in anyway.

I think forcing people to buy home is worse than some party owning lot of homes.

Re: Houses are for living, not for speculation

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Maybe severe capital controls and other heavy-handed and objectively unwise but politically desirable (for a certain group) financial policies aren't the best plan for maintaining a stable economy?

I wonder when Xi will come up with a witty one liner for that one.

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