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Re: They Live (1988) inspired Adblocker

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Post by qsera »

latexr wrote: post #39
qsera wrote: post #23

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>wild conspiracy theories. Do you know the difference between a conspiracy "nut", and a rational person? For a "conspiracy nut", understanding that there is sufficient incentive (also implies a lack of deterrent) for X to do Y is proof enough that X is doing Y. For a "mainstream" person, that is not enough. They require real, solid proof to consider that X is doing Y. Note that this is about deciding their own behavi…

> Do you know the difference between a conspiracy "nut", and a rational person? The former is trivially manipulated, can be made to believe anything by appealing to their inherent obvious biases, and will double down on their beliefs even when presented with irrefutable proof to the contrary. The latter can detect false dichotomies, understands answers are often nuanced instead of black and white, and is capable of c…

Yes, these categories are sometimes simply separated by what they considers as "irrefutable proof".

Re: They Live (1988) inspired Adblocker

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Post by pjc50 »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #52
HerbManic wrote: post #12

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What I find funny (only not really) is the wildly different interpretations of this film people have, for many they seem to be primed by other things to see in it what they want. Basically skeptical of common forms in modernity, that is very clearly the intention. However, I have also seen that in extreme far-right communities this film represents how Jewish people control the world... somehow I don't think that is w…

> Basically skeptical of common forms in modernity, that is very clearly the intention. However, I have also seen that in extreme far-right communities this film represents how Jewish people control the world... somehow I don't think that is what Carpenter was going for. Say what you will about claiming that the Jews secretly control the world like the aliens in the 1988 John Carpenter movie They Live, the people mak…

"Say what you want about the tenets of national socialism, at least it's an ethos" -- The Big Lebowski, another influential film to many people.

Re: They Live (1988) inspired Adblocker

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Post by autoexec »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #52
HerbManic wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I find funny (only not really) is the wildly different interpretations of this film people have, for many they seem to be primed by other things to see in it what they want. Basically skeptical of common forms in modernity, that is very clearly the intention. However, I have also seen that in extreme far-right communities this film represents how Jewish people control the world... somehow I don't think that is w…

> Basically skeptical of common forms in modernity, that is very clearly the intention. However, I have also seen that in extreme far-right communities this film represents how Jewish people control the world... somehow I don't think that is what Carpenter was going for. Say what you will about claiming that the Jews secretly control the world like the aliens in the 1988 John Carpenter movie They Live, the people mak…

> the people making this claim are certainly not obeying, conforming, or refraining from questioning authority.

In my experience racists tend to just latch on to different authorities to blindly follow and obedience and conformity are even more strongly enforced. I've had long discussions with racists over the "rebel" identity they see in the confederate flag who shortly after demonstrated incredible amounts of boot-licking when it came to police. Most of the racists I've meet were very dedicated to hierarchies, a select set of social norms, old-fashioned gender roles, etc. and conformance was absolutely seen as mandatory.

Re: They Live (1988) inspired Adblocker

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Post by huijzer »

secretsatan wrote: post #59
huijzer wrote: post #34

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> extreme far-right communities Extreme libertarian seems a more apt description for those groups since they severely distrust government often also criticizing Trump and Netanyahu for example.

A lot of them are very concerned about restricting the rights of others

Source?

Re: They Live (1988) inspired Adblocker

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Post by darkwater »

deng wrote: post #58
dolebirchwood wrote: post #33

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That argument could be taken to any extreme at the end of the day. They Live, at its core, is a commentary on unrestrained capitalism. You could fault OP for using a Google browser. You could fault OP for using a Microsoft cloud repository. The line may be blurrier than one thinks...

Any argument can be taken to any extreme. This is why it's a popular rhetorical tactic, called "appeal to extremes".

So, why did you use it in this case?

Re: They Live (1988) inspired Adblocker

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Post by subroutine »

pjc50 wrote: post #62
JuniperMesos wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Basically skeptical of common forms in modernity, that is very clearly the intention. However, I have also seen that in extreme far-right communities this film represents how Jewish people control the world... somehow I don't think that is what Carpenter was going for. Say what you will about claiming that the Jews secretly control the world like the aliens in the 1988 John Carpenter movie They Live, the people mak…

"Say what you want about the tenets of national socialism, at least it's an ethos" -- The Big Lebowski, another influential film to many people.

And let's also not forget that keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, within the city isn't legal either.

Re: They Live (1988) inspired Adblocker

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Post by autoexec »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #41
Nasrudith wrote: post #37

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Meanwhile I've personally found myself completely unable to take it seriously due to the subliminal messages being "marry and reproduce" and "consume". Like people need sinister brainwashing to fall in love, have sex, or engage in hedonistic consumption. These are base biological urges that have existed regardless of societal economy for millennia! By casting it as something from a sinister conspiracy it makes the cr…

If it was a basic biological function then the marketing department wouldn’t exist.

Consumption and love/sex are things we tend to do naturally, but marketing just ramps it up to a level we probably wouldn't reach if we weren't forced or manipulated into it. Just about anybody can fall in love, but marketing can pressure you into thinking that not falling in love and being with someone means you've failed at life and marketing can fill with you anxiety if you aren't in love, or haven't had sex, or you've had sex too early, or not early enough, or not often enough, etc. Naturally they've got all kinds of things to sell you to help.

Re: They Live (1988) inspired Adblocker

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Post by JuniperMesos »

pjc50 wrote: post #62
JuniperMesos wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Basically skeptical of common forms in modernity, that is very clearly the intention. However, I have also seen that in extreme far-right communities this film represents how Jewish people control the world... somehow I don't think that is what Carpenter was going for. Say what you will about claiming that the Jews secretly control the world like the aliens in the 1988 John Carpenter movie They Live, the people mak…

"Say what you want about the tenets of national socialism, at least it's an ethos" -- The Big Lebowski, another influential film to many people.

I like The Big Lebowski, it has some fun lines, but John Goodman's Walter Sobchak doesn't have a monopoly on the English phrase "Say what you will about X".

And indeed apparently the line was in fact "say what you want about the tenets of national socialism", not "say what you will about the tenets of national socialism" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_29yvYpf4w).

Re: They Live (1988) inspired Adblocker

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Post by autoexec »

iririririr wrote: post #21

on the same line, but less pop meme replacements https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/artificial-cl... it replaces terms used to exalt Artificial Intelligence to what they really mean, and some tongue in cheek jokes against things that are used to pass billionaires/tech as friendly (e.g. replacing bill gates with his actual name)

"Automated Incompetence" is probably better than "Artificial Incompetence" since the incompetence is 100% real.

Re: They Live (1988) inspired Adblocker

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Post by deng »

darkwater wrote: post #65
deng wrote: post #58

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Any argument can be taken to any extreme. This is why it's a popular rhetorical tactic, called "appeal to extremes".

So, why did you use it in this case?

So you consider calling something "ironic" an extreme position? On a more general note, you will find that many people are uncomfortable with the idea that AI will replace human work, especially when it relates to art, which this project in question references.
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