As scoutmaster the article feels wrong. There are things that I'm sure are wrong but I don't know what they are. the article doesn't seem right either though.
I am confident you invested greatly in the program in good faith. It's hard to learn of problems with something we deeply invested in. I've been there. It took me years to work through this struggle and come to these positions. But I find there's an excellent case that BSA can do much better. And it must, or it's going to collapse within 10 years. The good thing is "do better" is right in front of us. It means catchi…
Scouting's Real Crisis Is Not Marketing. It Is Decades of Neglect.
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#62The elephant in the room is the pedophile in the Scoutmaster. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-scouts-america-have... Why would any responsible parent put their child in such danger.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Boys need to learn how to be men. Just like girls need to learn how to be women. LOADS and LOADS of material available to young girls to accomplish this goal. Lots of funding for them too, to become women. Boys? Boys are _disposable_ and get _no investment_. I'll admit this is my personal perspective. I would be happy to be wrong about this but I just don't see it where I am in the Midwest. So I think the value comes…
What is the value in all programs being mixed gender? to learn that both genders are normal people and have some common and some diverse interest and capacities. to learn to respect each other and to collaborate. to avoid turning the other gender into a mysterious unknown. there is room for gender segregated spaces. but it doesn't have to be at the organization level. you could have boys only and girls only patrols.…
Children are exposed to plenty of gender-mixed spaces, from school to most families in the first place, and no one is suggesting doing away with that.
I don't agree that men "can't think straight" when women are around (or vice versa) but of course as a teen or even as an adult, you need to consider how the opposite sex sees you, what "signals" you send, or you will almost certainly be unhappy for it. When we call it "the male gaze" I think you see why it might be nice to have a break from it, but women judge men's masculine qualities/conformance too.
I think it's more insulting to suggest men can't be trusted to be left alone with each other or they'll become toxic.
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i disagree with you. The author is pointing at deeper cultural issue of lack of candor that unaddressed allows things like sexual abuse to flourish. It is an organization that is not willing to tackle serious or face hard things head on. Yeah and their product sucks, so improved marketing won't save it.
> Its historic advantages—brand recognition, inexpensive outdoor access, and the prestige of Eagle Scout—once masked program defects. I don't think the product sucked at all I think the packaging of that product was terrible. My father took me to a scout meeting when I was 13. Afterwards, he asked if I was interested. I said no - they really come across as Nazi Youth combined with religious fanaticism, and neither ap…
You are confirming the statement. They are both badly neglected.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
i disagree with you. The author is pointing at deeper cultural issue of lack of candor that unaddressed allows things like sexual abuse to flourish. It is an organization that is not willing to tackle serious or face hard things head on. Yeah and their product sucks, so improved marketing won't save it.
> Its historic advantages—brand recognition, inexpensive outdoor access, and the prestige of Eagle Scout—once masked program defects. I don't think the product sucked at all I think the packaging of that product was terrible. My father took me to a scout meeting when I was 13. Afterwards, he asked if I was interested. I said no - they really come across as Nazi Youth combined with religious fanaticism, and neither ap…
Sorry you bumped into a troop that really sucked. I don't know if a different one would have suited you better.
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I read the text myself and checked it with pangram, it's 95% plus human written (people hate hundred percent so the discount). So I'm asking myself if it is ragebait or Idiocracy. I know that's harsh to say, but throwing in written by AI is harsh as well. (Analysis: Pangram believes that this document is fully human-written https://www.pangram.com/history/c59610e0-aba7-469c-b762-21f7... )
I wrote that piece, and I am human. BTW, AI checkers are garbage. Even though your stat is heavily in my favor, I urge you not to use that stuff. It is not rage bait. It's good-faith commentary on how a movement has become lost.
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What is the value in all programs being mixed gender? to learn that both genders are normal people and have some common and some diverse interest and capacities. to learn to respect each other and to collaborate. to avoid turning the other gender into a mysterious unknown. there is room for gender segregated spaces. but it doesn't have to be at the organization level. you could have boys only and girls only patrols.…
Yes, organizationally there's of course no reason scout groups can't be mixed. But I don't think that's why the Mormons left, was it? It was mixed troops as well, right? Children are exposed to plenty of gender-mixed spaces, from school to most families in the first place, and no one is suggesting doing away with that. I don't agree that men "can't think straight" when women are around (or vice versa) but of course a…
yes and no. scouting is a unique activity. very different from school and other spaces. the things you learn in scouting are not what you learn in school, and therefore it matters that kids experience the other gender in the scouting context too. boys need to see that girls have the same scouting skills. just like it matters that girls can take a car mechanic class in high school, and boys can take a class on homemaking and learn sowing and other things generally seen as girl activities. just being together in school is not enough if the activities are not also shared. scouting can make a big difference here because it offers a broad range of activities that both genders can participate in.
as a teen or even as an adult, you need to consider how the opposite sex sees you, what "signals" you send, or you will almost certainly be unhappy for it
disagree. this is a cultural problem that we need to get rid of. way to much focus is put on how we are seen by others. i'd want to claim that this is a distinct american problem, but it happens elsewhere too, except in most other places it is not normalized. we teach children to ignore it and not give in to the idea that they should pay attention to what the other gender thinks of them.
I think it's more insulting to suggest men can't be trusted to be left alone with each other or they'll become toxic.
fair, that was a bit exaggerated. but it's not far from the truth. that men change their behavior when women are present is documented. it is a known workplace issue. it's a risk in boys groups in that individual boys that learn this behavior from elsewhere (from home for example) tend to be dominating (because it is a dominating behavior) and thus strongly influence the behavior of the group as a whole if not put in check.
Re: Scouting's Real Crisis Is Not Marketing. It Is Decades of Neglect.
#68The elephant in the room is the pedophile in the Scoutmaster. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-scouts-america-have... Why would any responsible parent put their child in such danger.
Do you feel that it's also irresponsible for parents to take their kids to a Catholic church?