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US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support

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Re: US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support

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Post by casefields »

marcusverus wrote: post #54
RiverCrochet wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood this line of logic: - X doesn't pay child support because X lost their job. - X gets their driver's license revoked because they missed child support payments. So ... how are you supposed to find a new job with out a car in most U.S. communities? This doesn't improve the situation for anyone involved, but allows the state to make it much, much worse.

Who said anything about revoking drivers licenses?

California revoked license to those who dont pay child support. Many other states do it too.

Re: US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support

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Post by mothballed »

defrost wrote: post #29
Perenti wrote: post #19

I've been told that American's have a very low rate of passport issuance. I don't know if that's true, but the figure quoted was only 10% of adults hold passports. Is this a really effective way to get people to pay for their kids, or just the appearance of doing something to quiet the voters?

It's possible this might have a significant (not small, not necessarily large) impact on the smaller subset of delinquent parents that might currently have a larger double digit percentage (30% say) skipping to Canada, Mexico, or elsewhere to avoid being chased down. Or not. The main point here is that it's not the entire population of regular US citizens that should be looked at here, more the specific behaviour of…

The constitution (article 11) of Mexico provides an explicit right of every person to enter Mexico without a passport (that doesn't mean every person in general -- you can be barred -- but not because you don't have a passport). You can witness this at land border crossings -- I routinely watch them let in foreigners without them (they're not following whatever uncited nonsense you read at the consulate wrongly claiming a passport is 'required' without citing any law). It is subject to immigration enforcement, but they're legally barred from requiring a passport. It won't do dick to stop delinquent people from leaving and anywhere that actually thoroughly checks passports also is a member of international child support enforcement treaties.

Re: US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support

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Post by RiverCrochet »

marcusverus wrote: post #54
RiverCrochet wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood this line of logic: - X doesn't pay child support because X lost their job. - X gets their driver's license revoked because they missed child support payments. So ... how are you supposed to find a new job with out a car in most U.S. communities? This doesn't improve the situation for anyone involved, but allows the state to make it much, much worse.

Who said anything about revoking drivers licenses?

Every state it seems.

I found this link informative.

https://www.ncsl.org/human-services/license-restrictions-for...

Re: US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support

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Post by mothballed »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #63
marcusverus wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said anything about revoking drivers licenses?

Every state it seems. I found this link informative. https://www.ncsl.org/human-services/license-restrictions-for...

Whoever had the idea of revoking business and professional licenses of those behind on paying their kids were real geniuses. I can understand doing it after a contempt hearing where it was determined the person absolutely will not be using them to help the child.... but an administrative revocation for being delinquent is insane.

It's crazy how obsessed America is with kicking people in the teeth when they are down. Your kids are broke? Sorry, we won't help you, but how about we take away your ability to work domestically or abroad.

Re: US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support

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Post by danaris »

Perenti wrote: post #19

I've been told that American's have a very low rate of passport issuance. I don't know if that's true, but the figure quoted was only 10% of adults hold passports. Is this a really effective way to get people to pay for their kids, or just the appearance of doing something to quiet the voters?

The purpose of this isn't to twist people's arms to pay for their kids.

It's to punish poor, especially nonwhite, people and make it hard for them to escape the oppression of the Trump regime.

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Post by readthenotes1 »

danaris wrote: post #65
Perenti wrote: post #19

I've been told that American's have a very low rate of passport issuance. I don't know if that's true, but the figure quoted was only 10% of adults hold passports. Is this a really effective way to get people to pay for their kids, or just the appearance of doing something to quiet the voters?

The purpose of this isn't to twist people's arms to pay for their kids. It's to punish poor, especially nonwhite, people and make it hard for them to escape the oppression of the Trump regime.

You're saying that Trump and company are trying to get the people of color who don't pay their child support to not leave the country. I'm not sure what the problem is. Can you explain it further?

I'm also curious why you think it is only targeting people of color and not people of white

Re: US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support

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Post by Henchman21 »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #52
UberFly wrote: post #8

Owing child support is a negative on children and society in general, but I'm sure there are plenty who will argue in favor of it.

I never understood this line of logic: - X doesn't pay child support because X lost their job. - X gets their driver's license revoked because they missed child support payments. So ... how are you supposed to find a new job with out a car in most U.S. communities? This doesn't improve the situation for anyone involved, but allows the state to make it much, much worse.

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Re: US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support

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Post by potsandpans »

bawolff wrote: post #22
bsder wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have much of a problem with the $100K penalties. I have a lot more issue with a $2.5K limit--that could be just one or two (intentionally or unintentionally) misreported payments. Or a paycheck hiccup. Or a layoff. Or a government error (because we all know how infallible DOGE was). Or a government shutdown. Or ... We specifically decry the concepts of debtor's prisons and social credit in the US. For good re…

> I have a lot more issue with a $2.5K limit--that could be just one or two (intentionally or unintentionally) misreported payments. Or a paycheck hiccup. Or a layoff. Or a government error (because we all know how infallible DOGE was). Or a government shutdown. Or ... In all of those situations, the child still has needs that need to be paid for.

Your right, let's jail the parent until they pay.

Re: US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support

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Post by danaris »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #66
danaris wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose of this isn't to twist people's arms to pay for their kids. It's to punish poor, especially nonwhite, people and make it hard for them to escape the oppression of the Trump regime.

You're saying that Trump and company are trying to get the people of color who don't pay their child support to not leave the country. I'm not sure what the problem is. Can you explain it further? I'm also curious why you think it is only targeting people of color and not people of white

If they leave the country voluntarily, then Trump & co can't put them in concentration camps.

And it's targeting poor people, who are disproportionately nonwhite.

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