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White House Considers Vetting A.I. Models Before They Are Released

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Re: White House Considers Vetting A.I. Models Before They Are Released

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Post by ofrzeta »

aurareturn wrote: post #25
changoplatanero wrote: post #23

I have many questions. How would A/B testing work in the scenario where models need to be approved by the government before release? All the big providers commonly a/b test their unreleased models on production traffic. Would these need to be preapproved? Many models get tested on the public for every one that is officially "released". Will the government have the bandwidth to examine each of these? Does changing the…

You just perfectly highlighted why over-regulation in tech is troublesome. This is why I've always been against European tech regulations which gave us the cookie prompt. Politicians shouldn't be product designers. Edit: I'll take the downvotes. Every time I say this, I get downvoted. Weirdly, even EU politicians are beginning to see that they've over regulated their tech industry so much that it can't compete but HN…

The regulations also gave us "USB-C everywhere" and the possibility to use a different map app than Apple maps on iOS. More to come.

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Post by idle_zealot »

aurareturn wrote: post #48
idle_zealot wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cookie prompt is a perfect example of under regulation. The law you're citing as over-regulation requires companies to get consent before tracking you. Companies across the board settled on "annoy users into consenting" as their compliance strategy. You want to revert to implied consent? Fuck that, layer on "also you can't pester users into agreeing to being tracked." Too vague? That's the point; anything else an…

This is over regulation because regulation always have unintended consequences. The unintended consequence is the cookie prompt. And before someone comes out saying that only "bad" websites want to track you, the official European Union website has a cookie prompt. https://commission.europa.eu/index_en

> regulation always have unintended consequences

An extremely strong claim. You're making a generalized argument against any attempt to influence market forces. I can maintain the position that regulations can sometimes succeed and sometimes fail to achieve their goals, whereas you have to prove that, say, banning mining companies from hiring child coal miners has caused more harm than good in the form of unintended consequences.

Re: White House Considers Vetting A.I. Models Before They Are Released

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Post by idle_zealot »

aurareturn wrote: post #57
dgellow wrote: post #50

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It’s about consent, that has nothing to do with good or bad

99.999% of people don't care and don't even know what it's suppose to do. Yet, the cookie prompt has collectively wasted how many millions or billions of hours of people's time? How many freaking times has a website fully loaded, shows you a cookie prompt, and clicking on the wrong option will reload the entire website? The web has gotten worse since cookie prompts and websites lost a bit of competitiveness to mobile…

Or they could not collect unnecessary user data. They chose to waste users' time. If you don't like that we can always punish them for those billions of wasted hours.

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Post by dgellow »

aurareturn wrote: post #57
dgellow wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s about consent, that has nothing to do with good or bad

99.999% of people don't care and don't even know what it's suppose to do. Yet, the cookie prompt has collectively wasted how many millions or billions of hours of people's time? How many freaking times has a website fully loaded, shows you a cookie prompt, and clicking on the wrong option will reload the entire website? The web has gotten worse since cookie prompts and websites lost a bit of competitiveness to mobile…

Yes, those cookie banners are annoying, I’m not sure what you want me to say. Companies can decide other approaches to track you with your consent, most decided to go with the frustrating UX. Having an annoying banner and explicit tracking consent is still an improvement over just collecting and sharing your data with 3rd parties without your knowledge and consent

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Post by aurareturn »

ofrzeta wrote: post #61
aurareturn wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just perfectly highlighted why over-regulation in tech is troublesome. This is why I've always been against European tech regulations which gave us the cookie prompt. Politicians shouldn't be product designers. Edit: I'll take the downvotes. Every time I say this, I get downvoted. Weirdly, even EU politicians are beginning to see that they've over regulated their tech industry so much that it can't compete but HN…

The regulations also gave us "USB-C everywhere" and the possibility to use a different map app than Apple maps on iOS. More to come.

And possibly hindered innovation for a newer, better port because USB-C everywhere is required.

I remember Google maps existing on iOS before Apple Maps was ever released.

Re: White House Considers Vetting A.I. Models Before They Are Released

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Post by dgellow »

2ndorderthought wrote: post #33
dgellow wrote: post #31

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Unless we (Europe) start to do the same…

Nah there's literally no reason geopolitically or economically to do that for Europe. The US has more or less entirely botched everything except it's military applications for AI. It's endangering the whole economy in the process too.

Not for the same reasons (such as the direct propaganda I expect from the Trump government), but if there is a precedent I can definitely see propositions to have some sort of regulator vet models before release to protect young people or similar

Re: White House Considers Vetting A.I. Models Before They Are Released

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Post by dgellow »

aurareturn wrote: post #66
ofrzeta wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The regulations also gave us "USB-C everywhere" and the possibility to use a different map app than Apple maps on iOS. More to come.

And possibly hindered innovation for a newer, better port because USB-C everywhere is required. I remember Google maps existing on iOS before Apple Maps was ever released.

~That’s bullshit, the regulations do not mention USB–C, they mention it has to be a common standard, with evaluation every few years~

Edit: I was wrong

> I remember Google maps existing on iOS before Apple Maps was ever released

You couldn’t change the default map app on iOS before the EU forced Apple to allow default apps to be configured. That’s what the person you responded to was claiming, and they are correct

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