Live data from Hacker News

US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

techcrunch.com

61–70 of 178 posts

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

#61

The richest tech companies and richest men in the world got rich by invading people's privacy and selling invasive ads.

You overlooked plain cronyism in Russia 1991 and after, for example, and actual rich people who just invested very long ago, and repetitively over time, in companies making money (not timing the stock market), like Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett.

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

#62
post #54

The richest tech companies and richest men in the world got rich by invading people's privacy and selling invasive ads.

They got rich because people were stupid enough to think free services come without a cost.

If we have learned anything in recent decades, it is that we are all easily manipulated, and we are all pretty darn stupid.

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

#63

It should be illegal to send the data, and illegal to accept it; burn both sides of that bridge.

At least make it an explicitly protected right to lie about your race in any context. It's a lot easier to ruin a dataset than it is to hide from it.

What would happen if you just lied? I guess you wouldn't get healthcare coverage once they found out? But isn't there something in law about material damages, they'd have to prove you cost them money by choosing the wrong race?

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

#64
post #58

I’m more annoyed that these government healthcare marketplaces are asking people their race in the first place. Really don’t think anything should be, including job applications.

I never (in the US) have understood why those questions include separate questions for race (seems to be like white or black or asian) and for ethnicity, including a really odd question about Latino or non Latino.

Why those questions, but no Danish vs non Danish, and so on?

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that even possible in the US anymore with donations and corporate backing being so important to a campaign?

I don't believe donations or corporate backing had anything to do with Trump, for example, winning. Trump won because he genuinely appeals to the average voting American. American voters are willingly choosing to support these politicians and all of the consequences that entails.

To discount advertising and manipulation in this context amounts to conspiracy theory in my opinion.

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

#66

It should be illegal to send the data, and illegal to accept it; burn both sides of that bridge.

It's a tracking pixel. They fool you into sending it.

A technicality without a meaningful difference. Users didn't consent to sending it, nor were they aware of it.

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

#67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised if both are illegal. But these days, the correlation between "X is illegal" and "larger org's do not do X" just ain't what it yousta be.

My understanding is that it's legal with opt-in, but the opt-in is allowed to be confusing, opaque, and sticky, so most people "consent" without informed consideration. We really need to revisit contract law in a modern context. Call me crazy but I don't think it's reasonable that our society operates in such a way that easily 90+% of people are subject to contract terms they signed but don't know or understand.

Damn near anything in business in the US is allowed with "opt in" where the opt in is literally the scene from Charlie and the Chocolate factory, including the part where you don't get to come after the factory for your death and dismemberment as stated in 1pt font after an entire chapter of reading to dull your attention.

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

#68
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would politicians ever pass such a law? Who do you think they work for? update: Yeah, my bad. The point of this comment was to express my increasing cynicism at how we just keep seeing this kind of corporate behavior over and over again and how even when a tiny win is achieved on things like data collection, right to repair, ease for cancelling subscriptions, privacy, and so on and so on, they are so quickly over…

What's the point of this kind of comment? Have pro-citizen anti-corporate laws never been passed in the past?

Very rarely. Most of the consumer protection laws were passed before Reagan in 1980. We did get the CFPB after the 2008 financial meltdown but it's been under attack ever since.

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

#69
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would politicians ever pass such a law? Who do you think they work for? update: Yeah, my bad. The point of this comment was to express my increasing cynicism at how we just keep seeing this kind of corporate behavior over and over again and how even when a tiny win is achieved on things like data collection, right to repair, ease for cancelling subscriptions, privacy, and so on and so on, they are so quickly over…

What's the point of this kind of comment? Have pro-citizen anti-corporate laws never been passed in the past?

"Citizens" United (which allows unlimited corporate political donations by classifying them as "speech", for those out of the loop) has fundamentally changed the core incentive structures of the modern political landscape. To compare a pre-CU world to a post-CU world when it comes to matters at the intersection of corporate interests and government regulatory / legislative power is comparing apples to oranges.

We need to overturn CU if we want to be able to go back to a world where government serves people rather than multinational conglomerates.

Re: US healthcare marketplaces shared citizenship and race data with ad tech giants

#70
I used a state (Colorado) healthcare marketplace website when I was going to take a break between jobs for a couple of months, and I feel very violated by the whole process. I entered a bunch of information to the website, knowing that the data could be expected to be shared for quotes, but I got no quote. The information didn't just flow between systems, it was just sent directly to a bunch of individuals. Instead of getting anything useful from the website, I just got told that agents would contact me, and then literally hundreds of agents were calling and texting me at all hours of the day and night for weeks. I asked one of them how to get it to stop and they said it was impossible during the government shutdown.
Post reply on HN