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After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by calgoo »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #43
ZyanWu wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> demonstrably I'm not entirely up to date on each week's LLM hype train/scandal but last I heard there was no public access to it or public-trusted 3rd parties that can review model's capabilities

It’s easy to end up with no public-trusted third parties if we arbitrarily distrust third parties who say the capabilities match what’s promised. Mozilla for example says it found hundreds of Firefox vulnerabilities, and I think it’s pretty unlikely they’re lying to cover Anthropic’s back.

I think the question around the Firefox find, is not that they found hundreds of vulnerabilities - they found hundreds of bugs.

What would be really interesting is a side by side Claude Opus 4.7 and Mythos comparison.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

samrus wrote: post #55

I built the terminator bro, i swear. This time it actually is the terminator and its gonna kill us all. Its too dangerous bro i cant let anyone have it i swear to god Unless ... idk it sounds crazy but giving me $200/mo might actually make it safe. Lets do that

This exact thing was described in an article yesterday or day before: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260428-ai-companies-wan..., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47949750

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by djyde »

michelb wrote: post #27
apples_oranges wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk about Altman, I missed that he’s a bad guy now apparently, but people also still listen to certain politicians that routinely lie every day and don’t even bother to make the lies fit the other ones they said before, so..

Has there been a single positive post about Altman?

Altman's early public class at YC is worth watching, though I can't speak to his character.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by DivingForGold »

davidgrenier wrote: post #3
2ndorderthought wrote: post #2

"my model is the most dangerous" "No mine is the most dangerous" "Nuh uh mine is" "Mine could kill everyone!" "Mine could do it faster!" "Prove it!!!" This is where we are

Yeah I guess two companies who would otherwise be considered going for bankruptcy have models too expensive to run. As they don't see themselves making money any time soon, they have to turn every future model into a weird fascination.

China’s DeepSeek prices new V4 AI model at 97% below OpenAI’s GPT-5.5

Did somebody say that Elon is stealthly funding: Seven lawsuits filed against OpenAI by families of Canada mass-shooting victims

As always, when the going get's tough, the tough ultimately resort to lawsuits.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #60
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That he’s a liability to OpenAI, which is slowly coming around to the realization that it would be worth more without him. To be clear, I don’t think OpenAI could have raised what it raised as quickly as it did without him. But with the benefit of hindsight, Microsoft should have let the safety board fire him.

Slowly? They realised that and ousted him in 2023. I'm not sure if you didn't know or just forgot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_Sam_Altman_from_Ope...

> Slowly? They realised that and ousted him

Not because he threatened OpenAI’s valuation. The idea that OpenAI might be worth more without Altman is still heretical talk.

> not sure if you didn't know

My three-sentence comment directly references it in the third.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by intended »

lmeyerov wrote: post #54
Xmd5a wrote: post #21

>Me: ok but you did not answer my question: is it possible to engineer paranoia ? >ChatGPT: This content was flagged for possible cybersecurity risk. If this seems wrong, try rephrasing your request. To get authorized for security work, join the Trusted Access Cyber program.

We have been getting increasingly hit by this. We do defense, not offense, and AI refusals to run defense prompts has been going noticeably up. Historically, tasks used to only get randomly rejected when we were doing disaster management AI, so this is a surprise shift in refusals to function reliably for basic IT. Related, they outsourced the TAP verification to a terrible vendor, and their internal support process…

They are selling an impossible product.

If you make an LLM more safe, you are going to shift the weight for defensive actions as well.

There’s no physical way to assign weights to have one and not the other.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by boringg »

basisword wrote: post #50
boringg wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marketing stunts. The equivalent of holding a line outside a popular bar.

Given the USG has asked Anthropic not to release Mythos I'd wager it's more than a marketing stunt.

It can be both and I don't know how much I would trust the USG as the canary in the coal mine given their technical readiness typically seems low across most institutions in that they are probably more exposed because they haven't shored up their systems.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by giancarlostoro »

I wonder how long till some breakthrough comes along that makes a new architecture that can run efficiently and cheaper on basic hardware, that'd be the real AI bubble, if you could train and run inference locally at lower cost. Microsoft had one that is supposed to run fine on regular CPUs though I'm not sure how far along we can reasonably take that. They say our brains can store 2.5 PB, but we use drastically less (though I can't find a ballpark) of "RAM" to reason about things, so makes you wonder, just how efficient can we take things. Our bodies use drastically less power too.

https://huggingface.co/microsoft/bitnet-b1.58-2B-4T

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by vessenes »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #60
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That he’s a liability to OpenAI, which is slowly coming around to the realization that it would be worth more without him. To be clear, I don’t think OpenAI could have raised what it raised as quickly as it did without him. But with the benefit of hindsight, Microsoft should have let the safety board fire him.

Slowly? They realised that and ousted him in 2023. I'm not sure if you didn't know or just forgot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_Sam_Altman_from_Ope...

They is doing a lot of work in your sentence. Almost the entire employee population signed a public letter of support with names attached in the middle of the drama.

More accurate to say the board I think.

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