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Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Your comment is funny because it’s completely opposite - economics has generally great track record and fraudulent results typically do not survive for long. Citation cartels and paper mills exist in all disciplines.

Behavioral economics is challenging this - see the fake data published in a 2012 Ariely paper and identified in 2021.

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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I am not arguing against the facts expressed in the piece. This is not an area in which I have any expertise. However, I am a bit uncomfortable with the pithy language used. It's possible (likely, even), that the fired editors deserve the pithiness, but it's still a bit weird to read that kind of prose, in a scientific context.

I'm with you on this. There's a difference between exposing wrongdoing and being antagonistic.

Doing them both together increases the amplitude of the signal at the cost of reducing the integrity of the signal.

If you wonder why the world is informationally too loud and too noisy these days, it's because everyone who does this is turning up the volume to be louder than others who are also, in turn, turning up the volume for the same reasons.

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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It'd be nice to check whether some llms still have "memory" of the paper she has deleted

That's the neat part. You can never know for sure.

No but maybe if you get the correct name extracted by an llm and search it online you'll get cached sites, or links showing that they actually exist

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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post #10

I am not arguing against the facts expressed in the piece. This is not an area in which I have any expertise. However, I am a bit uncomfortable with the pithy language used. It's possible (likely, even), that the fired editors deserve the pithiness, but it's still a bit weird to read that kind of prose, in a scientific context.

Maybe I'm just naive or dense, but I'm not seeing language I'd be concerned about in the article? Help me get calibrated, is there something in particular that bothers you? or just a general vibe?

> Despite working at a terrible school

Literally zero need for that; none. And it's that kind of language that calls into question the authors motives. I went from "Excellent reporting here" to "This guy is emotional and not a reliable source of information" in 6 words.

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Sayre's Law: Academic Politics Are So Vicious Because the Stakes Are So Small Maybe universities, tenure committees, and funding sources should stop measuring academics by vanity metrics such as H-Index and publication counts. And don't get me started on the tendency toward "minimum publishable units." That said, abusing power as an editor deserves a special place in hell...

Corporate KPI-chasing culture ruins everything. “Publish or perish” has hit such an extreme level.

I imagine most academics would gladly not participate in this game if their entire livelihood didn’t depend on it

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is funny because it’s completely opposite - economics has generally great track record and fraudulent results typically do not survive for long. Citation cartels and paper mills exist in all disciplines.

the economists have a terrible record which is why public opinion of them is low. I'd guess equal weight to meterologists forecasting.

Meteorologist are fairly accurate. People have a bias to remember more the times they were wrong.
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