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How to Build the Future: Demis Hassabis [video]

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Re: How to Build the Future: Demis Hassabis [video]

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Post by rl3 »

rl3 wrote: post #40
moab wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bro, are we reading the same book? The book is totally uncritical of the subject and paints him like the second coming of christ. It feels like GDM wanted a canonization of Hassabis, and the writer simply obliged. Also, how does everything that GDM did keep coming back to some vague ideas in the guy's thesis? He is a great leader, no doubt, but him winning the Nobel Prize was just a huge joke. Out of all the heads of…

> Dennis is the best, but the book did him a disservice by painting an unrealistically sunny picture of him as some kind of visionary figure. Wait, 'unrealistically sunny'? You better not be talking about Dennis from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia , because we're all screwed if so. Then again, the western AI landscape has become somewhat stale recently. Claude and Gemini may have cute names, but they all pale in c…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Always_Sunny_in_Philade...

^ Educational resources for the ignorant that instead prefer to discuss the merits of the term "bro", at length.

Re: How to Build the Future: Demis Hassabis [video]

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

jdw64 wrote: post #8

How would someone with an intellect like Demis Hassabis think? I want to learn to think more like him. What differences between his way of thinking and mine create such a powerful gap? If I could understand those differences, I might also understand how to narrow that gap. And if we could identify the causes of that gap, perhaps humans in general could develop much further. I truly envy his intelligence. When I read…

Luck of the draw. Both in genetics, plus family resources & mentality when growing up.

Cannot become like that unfortunately. But hey, you are great already, and you can become even better. Your own version.

Re: How to Build the Future: Demis Hassabis [video]

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Post by mdp2021 »

jatora wrote: post #56
libraryofbabel wrote: post #42

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Oh wow, you blow my mind with your linguistic erudition; I had no idea it was possible to use male-gendered terms in a generic way! Well, all is forgiven, then. Seriously, just... don't? This isn’t some woke political thing and I dislike excessive policing of language but damn it, there are limits. "Guys" I'll let pass no problem, maybe even "dude" too on a good day. At "bro" I will take a stand, thank you very much.

what does erudition mean?

That was delightful.

Now duly supposing you are not ironic (all ages and paths come here):

You call people "brother"; "brother" means "supportive" (and is used for "openness", "closeness"); if you want to be close and supporting to people, if you want to be an asset (not a liability), you will have to cultivate yourself, to get the wisdom required. Erudition is not yet wisdom, but coupled with the good intention to learn the important things it surely helps.

Re: How to Build the Future: Demis Hassabis [video]

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Post by 0x3f »

jatora wrote: post #37
0x3f wrote: post #35

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I suspect Demis 'gapped' you structurally (upbringing, early decisions, luck, positioning), moreso than via intelligence, which doesn't actually vary that widely in humans.

Doesn't vary that widely in humans? Do you have a source for that?

Even if you take IQ, a 2-sigma event on that distribution is 'only' around 130. A 130 outpaces a 100, sure, but it's hardly full on dominance in most tasks.

Certainly much less powerful than just having rich or pushy parents.

> The CV of e.g. IQ is only 15%. That's in line with other 'natural' attributes of humans, but not compared to something like family wealth or background. From a quick Google, wealth is 700% in the US? Income also same OOM.

Re: How to Build the Future: Demis Hassabis [video]

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Post by 0x3f »

UltraSane wrote: post #47
0x3f wrote: post #35

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I suspect Demis 'gapped' you structurally (upbringing, early decisions, luck, positioning), moreso than via intelligence, which doesn't actually vary that widely in humans.

Intelligence varies incredibly wildly in humans. So much so I think IQ might be a logarithmic scale.

The CV of e.g. IQ is only 15%. That's in line with other 'natural' attributes of humans, but not compared to something like family wealth or background. From a quick Google, wealth is 700% in the US? Income also same OOM.

Re: How to Build the Future: Demis Hassabis [video]

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Post by next_xibalba »

mofeien wrote: post #57
next_xibalba wrote: post #28

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> The only real solution is to make AI a public good/utility which should be regulated on an international level and overseen by trustworthy institutions. There is a precedent for this in nuclear weapons. It did not work. All it takes is a sufficiently resourced nation-state to defect from whatever agreements there are and the whole thing collapses. If the incentives point toward doing so, it is an inevitable outcome…

There was no nuclear weapon used in warfare anymore since WW II. I think the regulation and oversight worked incredibly well over the past 70-80 years, despite the game-theoretic challenge you mention.

I'm referring specifically to preventing additional countries from becoming nuclear powers. There was massive effort and coordination expended to this end. It failed repeatedly. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty was signed in 1968. 5 more countries armed themselves thereafter.

Re: How to Build the Future: Demis Hassabis [video]

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Post by euroderf »

mentalgear wrote: post #4

People doing frontier research in knowledge representation & reasoning are worrying that soon, with the merging of LLM and knowledge graphs, automated 'everything' from research to production, will be possible. This implies that 'human cleverness' will get you nowhere any more and the only limits will then be computation - a resource Big Tech is hard at work completely walling normal people out of.

This is where I thought Cyc might contribute.

Re: How to Build the Future: Demis Hassabis [video]

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Post by UltraSane »

0x3f wrote: post #65
UltraSane wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intelligence varies incredibly wildly in humans. So much so I think IQ might be a logarithmic scale.

The CV of e.g. IQ is only 15%. That's in line with other 'natural' attributes of humans, but not compared to something like family wealth or background. From a quick Google, wealth is 700% in the US? Income also same OOM.

I worked in a retail PC sales and repair store and the gulf between the stupidest and smartest customers was enormous.

Re: How to Build the Future: Demis Hassabis [video]

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Post by 0x3f »

UltraSane wrote: post #68
0x3f wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CV of e.g. IQ is only 15%. That's in line with other 'natural' attributes of humans, but not compared to something like family wealth or background. From a quick Google, wealth is 700% in the US? Income also same OOM.

I worked in a retail PC sales and repair store and the gulf between the stupidest and smartest customers was enormous.

I think you've just got perceptual tuning for the human to human context. It's like how human faces that are 5% different can be very obvious to us, but it's much harder to tell (for example) two cats apart at the same difference level. All of your adaptive pressures are pulling in that direction.

But at a system-scale view of intelligence, humans are squashed together and it plays a pretty small role on outcomes. You should much prefer being rich than smart if your goal is 'success' by most metrics.

Re: How to Build the Future: Demis Hassabis [video]

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Post by smithoc »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #42
jatora wrote: post #36

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"bro" doesn't mean male in this context. It's just a general exclamation bro

Oh wow, you blow my mind with your linguistic erudition; I had no idea it was possible to use male-gendered terms in a generic way! Well, all is forgiven, then. Seriously, just... don't? This isn’t some woke political thing and I dislike excessive policing of language but damn it, there are limits. "Guys" I'll let pass no problem, maybe even "dude" too on a good day. At "bro" I will take a stand, thank you very much.

I'm genuinely fascinated and confused by what's going on in this thread, as apparently British and American English speakers misunderstand each other.

If I understand correctly, we've got: libraryofbabel says "maybe a little too uncritical" ... but that was supposed to be British snark that actually meant "it's a big problem that it's not at all critical"

Then, moab says "Bro" as a pejorative, because he took the original "uncritical" comment as literal rather than sarcastic...

And then libraryofbabel objects to "bro" not because it was used as a pejorative (which maybe she doesn't understand that it is in this context?), but because she interprets it as gendered (which maybe it is in British usage?)

I think libraryofbabel and moab are actually in agreement about the book, and but have both misunderstood the other's sarcasm. Maybe we really do need the /s usage.

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